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  1. Guest

    Alright i'm just going to go ahead and establish the fact that i dont
    know
    anything about electric, so please keep the technical jargon to a
    minimum. I'd appreciate it. Well okay the problem.

    You see everytime i plug this heater in with another appliance the
    outlet
    doesn't work any more, or suddenly stops working. Well one day i had
    the heater in with another appliace and it made half the outlets in
    the
    room unusable. Well i went down to the garage and turned off the
    curcuits
    breakers and cut them back on. When i went upstairs they still didn't
    work
    && the lights dont seem to work either. The thing is though, non of
    the lights
    were on it was, the middle of the day their was no use for them. I
    dont
    understand why this is screwing up to much.

    I know i probably need an electrician but i'd just like some people
    who know
    what they're doing to reassure me i do.
     
  2. mc

    mc Guest

    You need an electrician NOW. Your house may be about to burn down.
     
  3. Old Mac User

    Old Mac User Guest

    Yes, you need an electrician. This sounds like a grounding problem
    and it can be very serious.
     
  4. You are overloading the circuit and the breaker is tripping. Stop doing
    that.


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  5. DaveM

    DaveM Guest

    Electric heaters usually draw heavy current. If the circuit that the heater is
    plugged into has a loose connection somewhere between the heater and the circuit
    breaker, there will be significant voltage drop at the loose connection. The
    insidious thing about that is that there will be considerable heat generated at
    that point... likely sufficient heat to cause a fire.

    Get an electrician pronto!!!

    --
    Dave M
    MasonDG44 at comcast dot net (Just substitute the appropriate characters in the
    address)

    Some days you're the dog, some days the hydrant.
     
  6. He doesn't understand that you can't reset the breakers while the overload
    still exists.


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  7. Radiosrfun

    Radiosrfun Guest

    There are many things which have auxiliary inputs on them - some VCRs,
    Radios, Etc....... I am curious - just what did he "plug the heater into" -
    to power it? NONE of those devices are made for that kind of abuse. Many of
    the cheap power strips won't even handle it. As stated above - heaters drain
    current. The "devices" it was plugged into - probably have melted
    connections - luckily they didn't catch fire.

    I agree, if he plugged it into the wall outlet and still nothing - get help
    FAST. While you're at it, if you still live in the place, install a smoke
    detector to get your family out just in case. Should have a Smoke Detector
    in home - anyway. That electrical problem is a fire waiting to happen.

    I can't tell you how many "electrical" fires I've helped extinguish in the
    last year - many of which caused extensive damage. Too many to keep count.
    DO NOT PLAY with that problem. GET HELP.
     
  8. I would like to reassure you that you need an electrician. I suspect you
    have "back stabbed" outlets. The wires were stuck into holes in the back
    of the outlet instead of wrapped around the screws. This is
    unfortuantely perfectly acceptabe to UL, the NEC and most electricians.
    However it is a cheezy practice that causes high resistance. If you plug
    in a big load like a heater, the wires heat up and toast the insulation.
    I am fixing those in this house I am in. Finding insulation cooked 3
    inches from the outlet,

    --
    Joe Leikhim K4SAT
    "The RFI-EMI-GUY"©

    "Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
    For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

    "Follow The Money" ;-P
     
  9. This is OK for lighting but it is lunatic for power outlets.


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  10. Jamie

    Jamie Guest

    You have an issue with the circuit that is in that room.
    After reading your message here, i would suggest you hire an
    electrician very soon other wise, the next message you'll be sending
    will be to one of your relatives (that's still alive)! if you get my
    meaning!
     
  11. mc

    mc Guest

    That may be it. Quick solution is to stop using that heater. But all the
    advice about calling an electrician still holds. There may be a very
    hazardous problem with the wiring.
     
  12. Ken Weitzel

    Ken Weitzel Guest

    Hi...

    Gives me flashbacks to the horror days of aluminum.

    I'll second or third or wherever we're at to the motion to get an
    electrician as soon as possible.

    Meantime, plug in as little as possible. Turn on as few lights, etc.,
    as possible.

    At outlets that do have things plugged in and turned on, use the palm of
    your hand to feel around the outlet, feeling for unexpected warmth.
    Do the same at light switches that are turned on.

    Check and double check the batteries in your smoke detectors.

    And get it checked. Now.

    Take care.

    Ken
     
  13. JANA

    JANA Guest

    This sounds like a grounding or neutral return problem. I strongly suggest a
    qualified electrician. There can be serious safety hazard risks with bad
    electrical wiring and installations.

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    Alright i'm just going to go ahead and establish the fact that i dont
    know
    anything about electric, so please keep the technical jargon to a
    minimum. I'd appreciate it. Well okay the problem.

    You see everytime i plug this heater in with another appliance the
    outlet
    doesn't work any more, or suddenly stops working. Well one day i had
    the heater in with another appliace and it made half the outlets in
    the
    room unusable. Well i went down to the garage and turned off the
    curcuits
    breakers and cut them back on. When i went upstairs they still didn't
    work
    && the lights dont seem to work either. The thing is though, non of
    the lights
    were on it was, the middle of the day their was no use for them. I
    dont
    understand why this is screwing up to much.

    I know i probably need an electrician but i'd just like some people
    who know
    what they're doing to reassure me i do.
     
  14. I lived in an apartment building wired with all aluminum. Whoever the
    electrician was he did a first class job. Everything was done to code or
    beyond and there was never a problem.

    I worked in a commercial building also so wired. When half the lights and
    outlets failed I went out to the outside switch room and peeked in. I only
    had to hear the arcing sounds for a coupe of seconds to know to get the hell
    out of there. We called the owner who called in a team to work on the place.
    I'd already noticed that some of the outlets seemed to be warmer than
    expected but since it was none of my business I'd let it alone!
     
  15. Thus spake JANA:
    OK, he needs an electrician, pronto.

    But why does it sound like a neutral or ground problem? Couldn't it as well
    be a problem with a hot conductor failing to make connection?

    Is it because more than one outlet and lights too failed that points to a
    neutral conductor? Being a common element among several circuits?

    Thanks,
     
  16. Jamie

    Jamie Guest

    It's common to have romix or what ever used at the time to feed and
    outlet and from there, feed the rest of the room, many times a wire can
    be loose causing arching which maybe to main supply feed circuit for the
    rest of the room..
    You don't want this arching which indicates a poor connections which
    in turn, causing heat to build up and then you know to rest of the story.
    If you're lucky, it will simply burn away the connection with out
    incident .
     
  17. Ken G.

    Ken G. Guest

    Yes best get someone who knows how to fix that .
    It sounds like its an older house . Many times things were added by
    people that are not up to code .
    Inside each electric outlet box wires can run one to another box inside
    the wall . Sometimes when the average Joe adds on he might add to many
    boxes and light fixtures from one to another using to small of wire ,
    not tightning screws good enough or not tightning wire nuts enough
    causing an overload then burned off wires.
    If thats the case then where the wires start from all the things that
    stopped working probably burned off inside a box or breaker panel or in
    the wall .
     
  18. I had a problem in my last house. During the winter, my wife put a 1KW
    space heater in the garage for the dog, and the TV in the living room
    started to act up. I found the voltage low at the TV and all the outlets
    in the room "rather warm". The wiring was backstabbed throughout the
    string of outlets reight out to the last one in the garage!
    --
    Joe Leikhim K4SAT
    "The RFI-EMI-GUY"©

    "Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
    For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

    "Follow The Money" ;-P
     
  19. Outlets should be wired with as full a wrap around the screws as can be
    managed. I would never use push connections for this.

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  20. Bob Shuman

    Bob Shuman Guest

    Even better if the wire is just stripped and looped around the termination
    screws and not cut and reconnected.
     
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