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Martin Griffith

Jan 1, 1970
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On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:35:42 -0700, John Larkin

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:10:53 GMT, Jan Panteltje

On a sunny day (Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:48:21 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<[email protected]>:

[snip]

Are you claiming the article is untrue? Or that it should be supressed
for political reasons? Or that the IEEE published it to humiliate
Putin?

John

I am considering the possibility Winfield posted it for political reasons.
Sure the article itself is highly anti-Russian.

No, it's anti-bad-engineering, and anti-blaming other people instead
of finding the real problem.

John

I just noticed something funny, John. Everyone with whom you get into
an extended debate is already on my kill-file list ;-)

...Jim Thompson


Well, if you want to miss out on a lot of classic, world-class
stupidity...

John

But you drag it out too long. I prefer the quick kill myself ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Well you should sort out your election process.......(

It's an eFFing mess. Why don't Monsanto and Exxxron just say/tell the
people who they want/have decided upon, in a newscast......


Martin
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:48:21 -0700, Jim Thompson

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:35:42 -0700, John Larkin

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:10:53 GMT, Jan Panteltje

On a sunny day (Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:48:21 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<[email protected]>:

[snip]

Are you claiming the article is untrue? Or that it should be supressed
for political reasons? Or that the IEEE published it to humiliate
Putin?

John

I am considering the possibility Winfield posted it for political reasons.
Sure the article itself is highly anti-Russian.

No, it's anti-bad-engineering, and anti-blaming other people instead
of finding the real problem.

John

I just noticed something funny, John. Everyone with whom you get into
an extended debate is already on my kill-file list ;-)

...Jim Thompson


Well, if you want to miss out on a lot of classic, world-class
stupidity...

John

But you drag it out too long. I prefer the quick kill myself ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Well you should sort out your election process.......(

It's an eFFing mess. Why don't Monsanto and Exxxron just say/tell the
people who they want/have decided upon, in a newscast......


Martin

You read too many scandal sheets.

...Jim Thompson
 
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Ecnerwal

Jan 1, 1970
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If humans were not living in the station, there'd be no reason for
condensation (or even an atmosphere). So the presence of humans in space
helped to cause the problem. We actually know a great deal about
building human-free space devices, and when we screw up one of them,
nobody dies, unless they happen to be standing under a large chunk that
re-enters - and so far as I know, that has not happened, yet.

OK, you're perfectly free to stay in your cave. But those of us who
believe in the advancement of human knowledge would rather accept the
risks of exploring new frontiers.[/QUOTE]

You miss the point (deliberately or not, I can't tell). Sending robots
is faster and cheaper, and gets more exploration DONE. Wetware adds a
huge burden in many dimensions - which increases the cost in dollars and
lives, as well as slowing things down hugely. The marginal benefits of
having a human on-site are exactly that - marginal. The cost of
everything but sending humans is marginal compared to the cost of
sending humans.
 
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Ecnerwal

Jan 1, 1970
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Rich Grise said:
I've never understood the hysteria over the Y2K "problem". Hell, the
banks solved it before 1970 - thirty-year mortgages, and all that.

And haven't computer clocks always had a 4-digit year, based at
1/1/80 or something?

Cheers!
Rich

No.
Older IBM PCS went back to 1/1/80 on 1/1/2000, but they are a small part
of the world of computers

And when 2038 rolls around, every Unix-based system in the world will
have issues.
 
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Martin Griffith

Jan 1, 1970
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You read too many scandal sheets.

...Jim Thompson
OK, what do you recommend as an independant US news source,
unbiased,competant, sort of in between huffington post and faux news?

too many beer's
G'nite....


Martin
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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OK, what do you recommend as an independant US news source,
unbiased,competant, sort of in between huffington post and faux news?

too many beer's
G'nite....


Martin

Nothing wrong happened in the election results to which you allude...
the Electoral College method functioned exactly as prescribed by the
Constitution.

...Jim Thompson
 
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CptDondo

Jan 1, 1970
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Ecnerwal said:
And when 2038 rolls around, every Unix-based system in the world will
have issues.

Not really. That bug has pretty much been fixed in most modern *nixes -
date is now a 64 bit int. If programmers used time_t date then it's a
non-issue.

If your system is current, you're good to GMT 15:30:08, Sunday, December
4, 292,277,026,596 C.E, not counting a few leap-seconds.
 
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Winfield

Jan 1, 1970
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Nothing wrong happened in the election results to which you allude...
the Electoral College method functioned exactly as prescribed by the
Constitution.

And the heavily-weighted courts.
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:48:21 -0700, Jim Thompson

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:35:42 -0700, John Larkin

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:10:53 GMT, Jan Panteltje

On a sunny day (Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:48:21 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<[email protected]>:

[snip]

Are you claiming the article is untrue? Or that it should be supressed
for political reasons? Or that the IEEE published it to humiliate
Putin?

John

I am considering the possibility Winfield posted it for political reasons.
Sure the article itself is highly anti-Russian.

No, it's anti-bad-engineering, and anti-blaming other people instead
of finding the real problem.

John

I just noticed something funny, John. Everyone with whom you get into
an extended debate is already on my kill-file list ;-)

...Jim Thompson


Well, if you want to miss out on a lot of classic, world-class
stupidity...

John

But you drag it out too long. I prefer the quick kill myself ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Well you should sort out your election process.......(

But it works. The USA, I mean.

It's an eFFing mess. Why don't Monsanto and Exxxron just say/tell the
people who they want/have decided upon, in a newscast......

What? Corporations have modest influence on elections, and don't
endorse candidates. Unions are far more powerful, and do.

John
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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And the heavily-weighted courts.

Only a leftist weenie would conclude that. Cite the data AND the
court's ruling, and point out the (real) errors. THEN we can talk
about it.

Why is it leftist weenies are such poor losers ?:)

...Jim Thompson
 
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ChairmanOfTheBored

Jan 1, 1970
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I just noticed something funny, John. Everyone with whom you get into
an extended debate is already on my kill-file list ;-)


Yeah, but you're merely a "Rightist Retard".

You claim everyone that disagrees with you is leftist.

I am not, but you go on being as stupid as ever, dipshit.
 
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Paul Hovnanian P.E.

Jan 1, 1970
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Rich said:
I've never understood the hysteria over the Y2K "problem".

Referring to the 'Year 2000 problem' as the Y2K problem is the sort of
thinking that caused the problem in the first place.
 
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Paul Hovnanian P.E.

Jan 1, 1970
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There are only two things one needs in life:

WD40 to make things go and duct tape to make them stop.
 
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Tim Williams

Jan 1, 1970
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The way I heard it:

A big hammer when you want something to move, and an even bigger hammer
when you don't.

Tim
 
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Jeff Liebermann

Jan 1, 1970
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Referring to the 'Year 2000 problem' as the Y2K problem is the sort of
thinking that caused the problem in the first place.

The 11th commandment is: Thou shalt not abbrev.

Acronyms and abbreviations have their place and their side effects.
Just listen to the space station traffic. It's mostly acronyms. That
works because everyone involved knows the meaning. Unfortunately,
those not involved need a Star Trek universal translator and magic
decoder ring to figure out what's being said. If you're involved with
fixing the "Year 2000 problem", then abbreviating it to Y2K is
perfectly acceptable. If you're a bystander and disinterested couch
potato, it's a problem.

In my never humble opinion, it is impossible to implement a successful
program or technology without a catchy acronym or buzzword. Even
politicians are careful with acronyms after Nixon named his CREEP
(committee to re-elect the president). The computer industry needed a
catchy term for a fairly complicated computer problem and chose Y2K as
the good general term that the GUM (great unwashed masses) could
understand. Methinks that is far superior to something more accurate
like the "computer system clock register overflow, ambiguity, and
counter length problem". Yech.

The real problem is what happens when we run out of TLA's. There are
only 17576 available (using only letters). Eventually, we're going to
have a TLA shortage crisis.

As for understanding the Y2K hysteria, it didn't help that influential
and allegedly knowledgeable experts were promoting such lines as "It's
the risks, not the odds" and other forms of fear mongering. I tried
to advise my customers with a low key test and replace policy, but
they wanted an absolute assurance that civilization would not end on
New Years Eve, and wouldn't take anything less than certainty for an
answer. To be fair, I sold a large number of upgrades and
replacements prior to New Years Eve, and often suspect that the dot
com lunacy of the last 1990's was tied directly to the Y2K hysteria.
It would have been financially expedient for me to promote the
hysteria, but I'm disgustingly honest and a terrible actor. However,
I'm sure that didn't stop others with an agenda from expanding the
hysteria for personal gain.
 
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Winfield

Jan 1, 1970
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Only a leftist weenie would conclude that. Cite the data AND the
court's ruling, and point out the (real) errors. THEN we can talk
about it.

Why is it leftist weenies are such poor losers ?:)

...Jim Thompson
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America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave

The majority of the votes across the US, and, it was
found in 2001, the majority of the votes all across FL.
You're damn right the rest of us are pissed. Look what
happened, eight years of the worst messes we've seen in
this country. You should hang your head in shame. But
no, in sheer idiocy, you crow like there's no tomorrow.
Well, in fact there will be a tomorrow, when you and your
mens et manus will be crowing out of the other side of
your faces.
 
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rex

Jan 1, 1970
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Only a leftist weenie would conclude that. Cite the data AND the
court's ruling, and point out the (real) errors. THEN we can talk
about it.

Why is it leftist weenies are such poor losers ?:)

Hey, Jim.

Just driving through to see if you still are the opinionated, abrasive
prick that I remembered.

You are. Some things, I guess, will never change.
 
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Jan Panteltje

Jan 1, 1970
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Well, Bush is outta here in 2009 - I just worry what kind of legacy
he's going to leave us with, and if we're going to get somebody even
worse, like Hanoi Hillary.

I like Hillary.
 
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