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GeekBoy
- Jan 1, 1970
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Instead of offering a tax break on fuel.
GeekBoy said:Instead of offering a tax break on fuel.
Pete C. said:The problem is that Europe can't really do it, at least not and make it
actually work in a sustainable manner.
They also have the advantage of
much more compact countries where mass transit is more viable than it is
in much of the US.
Despite the ignorant bashing of the "Suburban Assault Vehicles" as you
put it, a very large portion of the population and the economy in the US
is very dependent on larger vehicles that can actually carry cargo, not
just two people like the touted 50MPG cars.
Politicians aren't supposed to have backbone, they are to follow the
will of the people that elected them,
CJT said:Dubya says lots of stuff. Much of it is false.
GeekBoy said:Instead of offering a tax break on fuel.
Pete C. said:Politicians aren't supposed to have backbone, they are to follow the
will of the people that elected them, regardless of their personal
feelings. Politicians are a barnacle left from years past when there was
no ability for mass communication which necessitated the election of
representatives to do the bidding of the people. Politicians are
obsolete in this age of connectivity and they could and should be
replaced by a direct mandatory issue by issue voting system.
Pete C. said:Not really, nearly all trains in the US are freight. Most large metro
areas have light passenger rail and/or subways, but they represent a
very small percentage of the total US area (it's a big country you
know). Even in those metro areas many of the people who commute on the
train still have to drive a considerable distance to park at the nearest
train station and take the train the rest of the way.
You must be commuting on different roads than I am. I see about 30% to 40%And the average driver quite often isn't driving the big vehicle - it's
an over hyped myth. Plenty of people drive smaller vehicles and plenty
of people who drive big vehicles actually need them and utilize their
extra capacity. The number of people who drive a big vehicle and never
utilize it's capacity is really quite small despite what the SUV bashing
crowd claims.
--Think about it: it's the single "alternative" fuel that's totally
dependent on oil and dubya is an oil man.
Politicians are
obsolete in this age of connectivity and they could and should be
replaced by a direct mandatory issue by issue voting system.
Does it grate on anybody besides me when media people and/or politicians refer
to hydrogen as a "fuel"
I think politicians serve at least two legitimate functions:
GeekBoy said:Instead of offering a tax break on fuel.
brian mitchell said:A recipe for disaster, in my view. It's already the case that political
parties have to hugely oversimplify issues in order to attract voting
numbers but nonetheless there are many situations governments have to
deal with which don't feature in general political polls/elections.
In other words, parties and their publicity machineries already dumb
down important issues. To have every issue decided by endless referenda
would result in absolute lowest common denominator decisions. It's
acknowledged even now that the voter votes primarily according to
his/her pocketbook, but they vote for a package which includes much they
don't understand or care about. "His/her pocketbook" means narrow
self-interest, and it's doubtful that the large mass of voters would
ever vote *against* their own perceived interest.
The reason Europe is failing to make any significant impact on
environmental sustainability issues is that the politicians will not
make unpopular decisions, and restraining one's appetite for consumption
is not a widely popular idea. In Britain, at least, --in spite of brave
promises to reduce carbon emissions-- car ownership and use has
increased, air travel has increased, electricity use has increased, and
so on. Politicians are incapable of saying No, when their livelihood,
status, etc, depends on them saying Yes.
brian mitchell
Pete C. said:Not really, most people live 20 - 40 miles outside of those metro areas.
The current mass transit systems do not reach out nearly far enough to
make a real dent in the number of people who have to commute by car. The
current mass transit basically functions to shuttle people in to the
city from outlying parking lots where land is cheaper, not to get them
from their homes to the city.
Even extending these rail lines another 50 miles out from the cities
will no eliminate the commuting since it still has individual pickup
points wide distances apart and people still need to get from their
homes to those stations. This is not a case where a few more miles of
rail line will allow people to walk a few blocks from their homes to the
rail station as is the case in many denser areas in Europe.
I apparently am as I see similar percentages of larger vehicles, but at
least 50% are carrying some cargo. Also realize that due to taxes and
insurance in the US it is not economically feasible to have a second
small car for commuting purposes. If you need the larger vehicle for
some portion of your life, you end up having to also use it for non
cargo uses as well since the additional cost of taxes and insurance far
outweigh the potential gas savings.
Back when I commuted regularly in my truck (I telecommute full time
now), I calculated the economics of a second small car for commuting. At
the time it worked out to spending something like $1,500 per year in
extra taxes, insurance and maintenance to save about $300 in gas. Even
at today's gas prices it would have been a loss.
I agree...If you can't learn all you need to know from a 45 second(PeteCresswell) said:Per (PeteCresswell):
Make it 3:
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3) To bring a few extra IQ points to decisions that cannot be
characterized in
a sound byte or reduced to a simplistic statement - which seems to me to
be about the limit of our national consciousness.
Pete C. said:Despite the ignorant bashing of the "Suburban Assault Vehicles" as you
put it, a very large portion of the population and the economy in the US
is very dependent on larger vehicles that can actually carry cargo, not
just two people like the touted 50MPG cars.
Politicians are
obsolete in this age of connectivity and they could and should be
replaced by a direct mandatory issue by issue voting system.
Mary Fisher said:You have trains.
William said:I know. I drive a station wagon that holds 7 people because I
occasionally _need_ to carry 7. Lots of the time it's just me. It
only gets 20-22MPG, where the 'same' car in Germany with a diesel
engine gets 42MPG. My problem is I can't _buy_ the diesel...
Oh, right, so we can vote _ourselves_ the bread and circuses...
VW sells lots of TDIs in the US so it must be available somewhere...