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  1. Pete Verdon

    Pete Verdon Guest

    As part of a construction project for a charitable event, I need to
    build a number of big analogue dials (like an old-fashioned voltmeter)
    controlled by a series of PCs (each computer drives two dials). Accuracy
    isn't critical, but I do have a fairly strict budget restriction.

    One possibility seems to be to use an RC servo to move a big cardboard
    needle. I've not used servos before, but a little research suggests that
    the required position is commanded by altering the pulse width of a ~5v
    50Hz square-wave signal a little either side of 2ms.

    As I said, I don't have much of a budget. I also have limited
    electronics knowledge. But is it totally unrealistic to consider
    controlling these servos via a soundcard output? I envisage putting one
    dial on each of the left and right channels, and getting the card to
    spit out an appropriate wave-form to each of them. I realise this won't
    be a proper square-wave, but am I likely to get close enough?

    What else have I missed? Do you have another (cheap) suggestion, whether
    involving servos or not?

    Thanks,

    Pete
     
  2. Why not pull some stepping motors out of junked inkjet printers (or dot
    matrix printers for that matter, though nowadays I find the former more
    likely to be found as junk), and use those? They would obviously be
    cheap and avaialble (you aren't likely to find RC servos lying in the
    garbage), and the driving is easy. Use a parallel port. Or, if
    this is from a dedicated computer, find an older one with an ISA bus,
    and put two parallel ports in there for more control lines. Some counter
    ICs would shift the needed control to hardware, and then it would only
    need a direction line and step line from the parallel port for each stepping
    motor. (They work by sending pulses to the windings of the motor, and each
    pulse makes the motor step one step; the direction is determined by which
    of the two windings you send the pulse to first.)


    Michael
     
  3. Nospam

    Nospam Guest

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    Hi Pete

    I stand to be corrected but I don't know of any simple way that you can
    interface a servo to a sound card, let alone two.

    servos would be good but might be a little over kill, why only two to
    each PC? Could you use one PC for upto eight?

    if so some ideas to make your own servo controller at:

    http://www.rentron.com/SerialServo.htm

    or buy

    http://www.britishrobotics.com/pictures/BRCandice/BR650290Desc.htm

    I have the original SSC version two at http://www.seetron.com/ssc.htm

    Cannot for the life of me remember where I bought it in the UK, and have
    also built the first one, both are ideal for controlling multiple servos
    and very easy to programs for the serial ones. Cannot comment on the usb
    ones you may find.

    I will try and remember where I bought the kit from, hope this helps

    Pete
     
  4. jasen

    jasen Guest

    not entirely, but unless you need PC control it'd be easier to just
    use a 555 and a pot for each.

    variable duty-cycle cicuit:

    ----+--- vcc
    |
    .----------------------|--------+
    | | |
    | +--------+ |
    V | | |
    .--[POT]-->|--. | . . . .|. . . . |
    | | | . VCC(8) . |
    | | | . . |
    `---------|<--+ +--RES(4) OUT(3)--+--> out
    | . 555 .
    +-------TH(6) DIS(7)----
    | . .
    +-------TR(2) CV(5)--
    C1 | . .
    ===== . GND(1) .
    | . . . .|. . . .
    | |
    +-------------+
    |
    ---+-- gnd
     
  5. Si Ballenger

    Si Ballenger Guest

    A servo controller like below is your best bet.

    http://www.pololu.com/products/pololu/0207/index.html
     
  6. Chris

    Chris Guest

    Hi, Pete. You already have the capability in your parallel printer
    port -- output logic level signals. You can also use the PC to supply
    5V power for the servo. But the devil is in the details.

    You didn't mention the other jobs you're having the computer do, or
    even what operating system you're using or what programming language.
    If you're using DOS and your PC isn't doing anything else, you can just
    set your printer port for SPP in the BIOS and then use QBASIC or
    anything else that provides direct control of the PC's ports to program
    a timing loop to output the pulses (which are supposed to be 5V logic
    level, positive-going pulses, 1-2ms. pulse width every 20ms). Voilla
    -- done. Additional cost = zero.

    If you've got other things to do with your program, or if you're using
    Windows, it gets a little stickier. That's because the servo turns off
    unless it gets at least one pulse every 30ms. or so. Using Windows,
    you'll need help with DLLs and drivers.

    You might want to try going to the Jan Axelson/Lakeview Research
    website for more information. Chances are you'll find what you need
    there (and you might want to get a copy of the book "Parallel Port
    Complete", provided with a CD that has the support software for various
    languages).

    http://www.lvr.com/parport.htm

    Good luck
    Chris
     
  7. Pete Verdon

    Pete Verdon Guest

    It seems unlikely that I would find six of them. However, I can buy
    packs of servos remarkably cheaply from some outfit advertising on eBay.


    Pete
     
  8. Pete Verdon

    Pete Verdon Guest

    I don't see that two is any harder than one, given that I have a stereo
    channel to play with. Exactly how hard *one* is, of course, is something
    I came here to find out :)
    The event is actually three identical events running at the same time,
    each with two dials. It's not inconceivable that I might drive all three
    pairs of dials from a single computer and have the machines running the
    other two events talk to it over a network, but I'd much prefer to have
    them independent. They may in fact be running in different rooms.
    Thanks. I don't know why I didn't think of using the serial port before
    - clearly much more sensible than the soundcard!

    Pete
     
  9. Pete Verdon

    Pete Verdon Guest

    I do need PC control. These dials will be part of the output for a
    simulation program running on a PC.

    Pete
     
  10. Pete Verdon

    Pete Verdon Guest

    That's effectively what I wrote, isn't it? I suppose it's not quite a
    square wave because it's cut off at zero rather than going below, but
    presumably that just calls for a suitable diode.
    True; I hadn't considered the "real time" aspect of the problem, which
    would presumably frustrate any attempts to drive them directly from a
    serial port as well. But I don't think I have a) the knowledge and b)
    the budget to start programming embedded chips.

    Pete
     
  11. Pete Verdon

    Pete Verdon Guest

    Yes, I'm not sure why I didn't immediately think of serial/parallel
    ports. I suppose the idea of frequencies and waves put the idea of the
    soundcard into my head.
    The OS and language are flexible to some degree. The core of the system
    will almost certainly be in Java (the servos are just an output device)
    but we're prepared to call out to C for talking to hardware. I don't
    know whether we're looking at Linux or Windows as an OS; nothing we've
    yet decided on has mandated either.
    Unfortunately we're not going to be at a low enough level that we have
    total control of the processor. The machine's display is also going to
    be used for graphical output, which effectively means Windows or X.
    I'm a software engineer in my day job, and working with another on this
    project. I don't normally get all that close to the hardware, but it's
    not inconceivable that we might be able to knock something up.
    Thanks.

    Pete
     
  12. jasen

    jasen Guest

    if you can set baud rate divisor directly that'll give provide acurate
    control of pulse widths without being worried by multitasking operating
    systems.

    attempting software PWM will be succeptable to losing multitasking,
    but may be accurate enough,

    linux has usleep() and nanosleep() for making delays measured in
    microseconds or nanoseconds, accuracy is probably closer to +/- 10
    microseconds most of the time (depecding on what else the computer is
    doing and how fast the processor is)

    windows has Sleep(), which delays for a number of miliseconds, but there
    may be something more precise.

    with a little hardware you could drive any number of 8-bit DACs from a
    parallel port (or a single DAC and a number of sample-and-hold circuits)
    this wouldn't have the tight timing requirements of the software PWM.

    these analogue voltages could then be used to either generate a PWM signal
    (by comparing them to a triangle wave) or to directly drive a moving-coil
    meter.

    as has been said, two output pins (and a few transistors) are suffucuent
    to control a stepper motor another option you should consider.

    you can easily control five from a single printer port,
    you'll be hit by multitasking in that case, this could cause late, or
    stretched pulses on with software PWM - something you probably don't want.
    the sound card is still looking good, if you can load your PWM waveform into
    the wavetable and play it continuously it'll only need a little filtering to
    undo the 10Hz high-pass typical of most soundcard outputs and recover the DC
    component of the pwm
     
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