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Discussion in 'Electronic Design' started by xpzzzz, Nov 6, 2012.

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  1. xpzzzz

    xpzzzz Guest

    I have a kit that has a mcu in a socket; The socket is mounted on one
    side of the pcb, and I need it mounted on the other; so I can more easily
    remove the mcu for re-programming. Is there a socket that will hold a
    chip "upside-down"?. If it were one-time I could bend the chip leads 180
    degrees, but if it were one-time I wouldn't need to.
     
  2. legg

    legg Guest

    Might be easier to do something that's sideways, at 90 degrees, but
    you'd need a bit of room.

    RL
     
  3. TTman

    TTman Guest

    NO. Think about it...
     
  4. sounds like it's time to dig in the junkbox for a ribbon cable and some
    sockets.
     
  5. You could use a normal DIP socket and short wires to connect it to the pcb but
    I doubt if this is suitable for a mcu running at more than a few MHz.
    Better get a kit with an in curcuit programmable mcu.
     
  6. whit3rd

    whit3rd Guest

    Usually, modern MCUs can be reprogrammed in-circuit. If it's really
    a DIP, with through-hole leads for a socket, you MIGHT consider putting
    a socket on the wrong side, and get a DIP header and hand-solder the
    header to the upside-down chip.

    That presumes the 'wrong' side has clearance to mount a socket, and
    that the (relatively tricky) hand-soldering of the chip is within your
    capabilities. You will want to LEAVE THE LEADS UN-BENT, because
    the MCU presumably has to fit into your programmer socket right-side-up
    as well as the target socket upside-down.
     
  7. Don McKenzie

    Don McKenzie Guest

    Purchase, or make up a 40 pin to 40 pin flat ribbon cable with 40 pin dip crimp connectors on each end.
    Manufacture using either a small proto board, or etch a small board that allows you to mount a standard socket, plus
    whatever socket you want to use, such as a zif socket.

    Make the cable as short as possible, and mount on the other side of the board with double sided tape.

    That is how I overcame these problems in 1979
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    Don...


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  8. I think maybe I have seen them.. will take a look on an old dev board
    tonight. Very deep with tall sides so it contacts on the fat part of
    the DIP pins. Even if I do discover one, good luck finding them in
    2012.
     
  9. Guest

    get something like this
    http://www.reichelt.de/IC-Sockel/AR...D=3215&ARTICLE=4382&SHOW=1&START=0&OFFSET=16&

    solder you cpu in upside down, careful not getting solder on the part
    of the pins
    that normally go into the socket

    you now have the sockets pins for when you need it upside down, and
    the
    original pins when you need it right side up

    -Lasse
     
  10. hamilton

    hamilton Guest

    If the OP is still monitoring this thread, what chip are you using ?

    Seems like a hard way to go if there is a modern way to "fix" this.
     
  11. I found a deep one, but it still won't hold an upside-down DIP.

    Might have been remembering the old Moto programmers that required the
    PLCC to be inserted upside-down; the deep socket a 16-pin job in a
    MC68HC705K1CS programmer.


    Best regards,
    Spehro Pefhany
     
  12. xpzzzz

    xpzzzz Guest

    16F84 @ 4mHz.

    There are two boards that are joined with headers; these have to be
    soldered for reliability. The chip is mounted between them. There might
    e enough space to mount a 90 degree socket, and be able to reach in and
    pull out the chip (and put it back afterwards).

    Maybe two 90's plugged into each other, one soldered to the wrong side?
    Is there enough stand-off height that a 90+chip would fit into another 90
    on the board?
     
  13. hamilton

    hamilton Guest

    So you un-plug the 16f84 so you can re-program it ?

    Correct ??

    I then take it that the ICSP pins are also not available on the backside
    of the board ?

    I would also take it that this is a development project.
    That's why you need to re-program the part.

    I am trying to understand why you just do not program the 16F84 in-circuit ?
    That's what ICSP is for.

    Am I missing something about your setup that prevents this ?

    hamilton
     
  14. josephkk

    josephkk Guest

    A company called Ares is in the business of making mounting
    adapters... plug-and-socket (or pin-and-SMT-pad) miniboards which can
    swap around pinouts. They might possibly have something of this sort.

    If you want to homebrew it you could make your own pin-inversion
    board... a socket on one side, pins to solder to the PCB on the other
    side, and a whole lot of traces running around to invert the
    placements. You'll certainly need a double-sided (at least)[/QUOTE]

    Not for any dip, single sided is plenty. For PQFP 44 to 144 leads; double
    sided is easily sufficient for lower clock speeds (20 MHz or less). For
    higher densities or clock speeds it gets pretty ugly pretty fast,
    including significant on adapter board bypass caps (mostly small stuff "C"
    though).
     
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