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Does my computer have a Microcontroller in it?

Discussion in 'Electronic Basics' started by jm, Oct 1, 2004.

  1. jm

    jm Guest

    I know it has a Microprocessor, but does it also have a
    Microcontroller? For example, I am (from a project I found) going to
    have my PC control some LEDs and a LCD display. But since the
    microprocessor doesn't have resident I/O, etc., then what is it that
    actually sends data through the parallel port to the outside world?

    How does it fit together here? I hope you understand. Thanks.
     
  2. Rich Webb

    Rich Webb Guest

    Nowadays, the most common setup is to have a "chipset" that supports the
    microprocessor by handling the interfaces to the rest of the system. The
    usual term for these (derived from Intel, IIRC) is the northbridge and
    the southbridge. The northbridge handles the high speed stuff -- system
    memory, AGP bus, etc; the southbridge handles most of the rest, which
    including managing the parallel port.
    http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/S/Southbridge.html

    It is possible to make system or BIOS function calls that interoperate
    between user space and the parallel port. A bit harder under the NT
    family than it was with MSDOS but do-able. A good place to start for
    info on this is http://www.lvr.com/parport.htm

    As a general rule, however, I find it easier to do this sort of thing
    with a serial port link to a stand-along microcontroller board. Tell the
    microcontroller what to do and let it handle the details.
     
  3. Don Bruder

    Don Bruder Guest

    A parallel interface chip mapped so that dumping a byte to a certain
    address looks (to the CPU) like it just wrote the byte to memory,
    probably...

    Reverse the concept if you've got a bidirectional PP, or some other type
    of port that's capable of both input and output - The port gets data
    from somewhere. It sets a flag (probably, but not necessarily, an
    interrupt - several methods are easily available, and several more that
    aren't quite as easy can be used) to indicate it has something for the
    CPU to work with, then when the CPU services that interrupt (or polls
    the flag, or...) the system software knows to tell the CPU "Yo! Stupid!
    Read this byte of "RAM" and do something with it!"

    Likewise, any other output (or input) device can be (relatively) easily
    mapped to look like RAM from the CPU's viewpoint. From there, it's just
    a matter of adding code that "does the dirty work".

    This only directly "notices" devices on the motherboard, but the same
    concept can be applied to slot-installed stuff like a SCSI card, USB
    card, and so on - The OS takes a poll of the slots at startup, figures
    out that slot "X" has a "Super-whiz-bang 2000" output device in it that
    knows to look at location $0XYZ, and sets up interrupts, handlers, and
    the other needed "stuff" so that the CPU can go on believing it's simply
    talking to a byte of RAM (at location $0XYZ) on the motherboard. Your
    program calls a routine that needs to write data to the S-W-B 2K, which
    triggers any of several possible methods that tell the CPU to write the
    byte your routine supplied to $0XYZ. From there, it becomes an "SEP"(1)
    as far as the CPU is concerned, and your program keeps on truckin'
    along. Again, for input, reverse the concept.



    (1) What? You don't know what an SEP is???? OK, where have you been
    hiding since the publication of the Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
    series???? An SEP is "(S)omebody (E)lse's (P)roblem".
     
  4. CFoley1064

    CFoley1064 Guest

    Subject: Does my computer have a Microcontroller in it?
    Technically, yes. The PC does have a microcontroller in the keyboard. All PCs
    (after the original PC and XT) have had a microcontroller in the keyboard to
    read keys, light LEDs and communicate with the PC.

    An earlier post describes the parallel port and chipsets. You might want to
    look at Jan Axelson's "Parallel Port Complete", and look at the website for the
    book.

    http://www.lvr.com/parport.htm

    There's a lot of good information for beginners there.

    Chris
     
  5. Marlowe

    Marlowe Guest

    You might want to consider a PIC chip like the 16F268 that communicates
    to/from the PC via a serial port connection. Then the PIC chip would do the
    LCD and LED controlling.

    I'm in the process of a project where my PIC is imbedded in an electronic
    ignition controller. The PIC measures the RPM and controls the ignition and
    reports back RPM and spark advance to the PC. My laptop then commands spark
    delay adjustments. All this is done via a serial link, COM1 RS-232.
     
  6. -----------------------------------
    In the older PC's, even early Pentiums, and in any of the very simple
    pre-plug-n-play parallel port cards, the interface card is actually
    just made of a few TTL chips, latches and buffers and demux's and such
    (see my example circuit here:

    http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public/LPT/LPTskmtc_wid.html

    and the main processor is indeed the one which sends the data to it.

    But in later machines, they used universal I/O chips and chipsets that
    automated this process a bit, but which, to be compatible with the
    original hardware, had to totally, or nearly so, emulate the original
    I/O card made with simple buffers, latches, and decoders. While these
    chipsets were probably made with a processor core, they didn't have
    to be, and even early UARTs are not truly processors in any sense,
    but are internally just an elaborate array of shift registers and
    simple latches and logic.

    I/O is something a processor does on its bus, a controller is just
    a processor with I/O latches, decoders, and logic off its address,
    data, and control bus. A microcontroller is just a microprocessor
    with the I/O drivers on-board, in one chip. Even a processor can be
    made with nothing but TTL chips, if you wanted to fill your shop
    with your computer and heat your shop with it.

    -Steve
     
  7. Bob Masta

    Bob Masta Guest

    Your computer does have resident I/O instructions. Windows
    NT, 2K, and XP just prevent you from using them to talk to the
    parallel port, unless you use a special driver ike GIVEIO. If you
    have Win9x or anything that can run real-mode DOS you can
    talk to the port directly through the I/O bus.



    Bob Masta
    dqatechATdaqartaDOTcom

    D A Q A R T A
    Data AcQuisition And Real-Time Analysis
    www.daqarta.com
     
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