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Do you think splicing 100' of wire onto a GTO exit wand would work?

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Dan Lanciani

Jan 1, 1970
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| Do you think I can find a 4-conductor shielded 16 AWG cable splice kit at
| ACE, OSH, or Home Depot? (I'll try later today.)

I doubt it.

Here is the kit I used to splice the cable to a similar vehicle detection
wand about 15 years ago. It has worked fine since:

http://www.homecontrols.com/Winland-Vehicle-Alert-Cable-Splice-Kit-WL1082

Note that this was just the first Google hit and you may be able to find
it as a Winland product for less. Moreover, Winland probably doesn't
actually make it so you might find a generic for even less again.

Dan Lanciani
ddl@danlan.*com
 
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mm

Jan 1, 1970
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I have a propane torch, a smaller butane torch with soldering tips, and the

I like an electric soldering iron for soldering wires. It's not like
soldering metal gutters. :)
Weller soldering station. I'm not all that good (I always seem to melt the
solder instead of heating the wires) but I'd consider myself ok with
solder.

After 40 years I often melt the solder directly, but if you make sure
it's hot before taking away the soldering iron, it's fine.
I could also look for an electrical connection type box (like the ones
used with the water sprinklers) and that way it would be obvious to all,
even any new owners.

I wouldn't bother.
I think I'll solder in a compatible wire after finding that scotch 23 in a
local hardware store. My home depot didn't have it.

http://www.rshughes.com/products/054007_13061.html?ref=g&refcp=froogle

Some other websites had 50 or 100 roll minimums!
Yes There are overhead power lines. Why do you ask?

The docs mentioned power lines. but if they are overhead they are
probably too far away to matter.
 
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William Sommerwerck

Jan 1, 1970
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This has gone on long enough.

As is true of most companies, the company selling this product is unable to
give factual, useful information to the customer. (What else is new?) There
is no reason why the people in this group -- or any other group -- should be
obliged to make up for its failure to do so.

It seems to me that the manufacturer should have supplied information about
selecting the appropriate length of cable, according to the vehicle, the
vehicle owner's needs, etc. It apparently did not. If the customer makes a
mistake, then the company should DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, as I've suggested.

If the company won't, then the owner has no recourse but to purchase a new
cable or sensor-wand system.

I don't see why this group should be expected to analyze an unfamiliar
product and provide useful troubeshooting/modification/repair information,
when the manufacturer won't. This problem cannot be new to the company. It
ought to have some mechanism in place for resovling such issues. Apparently,
it is too stupid to.
 
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William Sommerwerck

Jan 1, 1970
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IMPORTANT INFORMATION

I just spoke with a customer-service rep at GTO.

He said that they care about their customers and want them to be happy. You
should return the wand to GTO to confirm that it's working correctly. If you
need a longer cable, they will make some accommodation (he didn't say what,
and I didn't press him) so that you can have the longer cable.

Sometimes it's just a matter of knowing how to present your problem.

I hope this resolves it.
 
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PeterD

Jan 1, 1970
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This has gone on long enough.

As is true of most companies, the company selling this product is unable to
give factual, useful information to the customer. (What else is new?) There
is no reason why the people in this group -- or any other group -- should be
obliged to make up for its failure to do so.

It seems to me that the manufacturer should have supplied information about
selecting the appropriate length of cable, according to the vehicle, the
vehicle owner's needs, etc. It apparently did not. If the customer makes a
mistake, then the company should DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, as I've suggested.

If the company won't, then the owner has no recourse but to purchase a new
cable or sensor-wand system.

I don't see why this group should be expected to analyze an unfamiliar
product and provide useful troubeshooting/modification/repair information,
when the manufacturer won't. This problem cannot be new to the company. It
ought to have some mechanism in place for resovling such issues. Apparently,
it is too stupid to.

I don't see the company at fault in the initial purchase. Also, only
slightly at fault for conflicting advice from the telephone operator
on splicing (which differed from the technician's advice, which is
what I'd consider the be the accurate one...)

If you think that companies should cover all their customer's errors
and mistakes then I'd suggest you start a company and make that a
feature of your operation. Maybe you'll have great success. But my
experience, as a business man, has been that some people make errors,
and it makes little sense to expect someone else to pay for their
errors.

As to not seeing 'why this group should...' realize that is the reason
this group exists! After all, it is not called
'alt.home.repair.get.maker.to.replace.it' or
'sci.electroncs.leverage.the.company'. We concentrated on repairing
the problem. Not trying to figure a way or justification to make the
supplier (who did nothing wrong) to replace a product that was not
defective or flawed.
 
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PeterD

Jan 1, 1970
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The trouble is, we don't know which group the OP is reading. We
don't know which group gets the "post" and which gets the cross post.

I used to say which group I was posting from when I crosspostd, but no
one else seems to think of that.

Please don't feed meathead the troll. He offers no advice just a total
waste of bandwidth trolling for his 15 seconds of fame.
 
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William Sommerwerck

Jan 1, 1970
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I don't see the company at fault in the initial purchase. Also, only
slightly at fault for conflicting advice from the telephone operator
on splicing (which differed from the technician's advice, which is
what I'd consider the be the accurate one...)
If you think that companies should cover all their customer's errors
and mistakes then I'd suggest you start a company and make that
a feature of your operation.

I don't. But I think it should make an effort.

See the posting "GTO wand problem resolved (???)". I might have solved the
problem.
 
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William Sommerwerck

Jan 1, 1970
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The pickup coil and cabling appear to be a matched set where
the cable is an integral part of the tuned circuit. However, at
$200 for a coil and roll of cable, I would think there would be
sufficient profit to allow for an ocassional courtesy exchange.
Whether courtesy is all that common is debatable as companies
that have liberal return policies tend to have it abused and overused.

GTO has told me that if the OP contacts them, and returns the original wand
for a checkout (and it's working correctly), they will make some sort of
accommodation, because they want happy customers.

I've stated this in another posting in this thread.
 
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mm

Jan 1, 1970
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Four conductor shielded wire shoudlnt' be easy to get.

Typo. I meant it shouldnt' be hard to get. But maybe only
mail-order (internet).


And of course no one on any newsgroup is obliged to solve a poster's
problems. People try because they want to be helpful and sometimes to
show off their knowledge (or what they think is knowledge at the time
of posting.)

And I too considered returning the original cable. I asked if it had
already been buried and was too dirty to return.

And this question was definitely suitable for sci.eletronics.repair,
because the only real question is at the electronics level. The
question of how to connect two cables is just an inquiry about
technique.
 
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PeterD

Jan 1, 1970
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<Snip>

Why not just replace the whole wire from the control box to the sensor wand?
Then theres no splices in the ground.

Considering the wand is burried, the only way that will happen is if
you raise the splice above ground!
 
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PeterD

Jan 1, 1970
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Blow it out your ass you incessant babbling assclown.
You fucking idiots have run this topic into the ground
like a bunch off nattering old cunts. In reality you fuckheads
are the trolls, not I and I contribute where I can. Just happens my
contribution to this beaten into the ground thread is for you to end
the cross post and argue about this silly ass bullshit in AHR. If you
don't like it shove it up your fucking fart-valve.

And if you think I care enough about fame in the eyes of
fuckwitted turds like you and the rest of these nattering nincompoops
You are woefully mistaken.

Hee-he-he-eh... Mature response, proves the point nicely.
 
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Elmo

Jan 1, 1970
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Considering the wand is burried, the only way that will happen is if
you raise the splice above ground!

Right. The only place the wand and wires comes up for air is directly at
the control box attached to the gate.
 
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mm

Jan 1, 1970
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Very interesting suggestion!
Reordered:
Note: Removed crosspost.

Don't let one person, especially a person who reads the very newsgroup
you're reading (because of the nature of the question, he must have
thought you were reading SER), pressure you into removing
crossposting. Whether you need individual shielding for each pair
of wires is more an electronics question than it is a home repair
question. Sure plenty of the people on AHR know more than just how to
saw wood, but fewer do electronics full-time, which some of the SER
people do. Fewer took relevant courses also, either in school or at
their jobs.

And especially in this case, I don't know why he's suggesting shielded
pairs when the original cable has only one layer of shielding for all
four wires. I guess because the stuff is easy to get from the places
he shops, but 4-conductor, one-shield is easy to get at other places.

SER restored.
I didn't know what STP was but it's apparently "Shielded Twisted Pair".

Searching, I can easily find 100 foot lengths of "Cat 5 STP", e.g.,
http://www.topmicrousa.com/10x6-521hd.html

Sure you can, and if you get 100 feet, doesn't that mean you'll be
burying the connection with the other 50 feet, as planned?

BTW, don't get carried away with their alleged "today only". There
are at least two places that are cheaper than they are for this every
day of the year. monoprice and one other I bought from
I like the idea of wiring a female RJ45 connector and just plugging a
standard CAT5 STP wire into the RJ45 for convenience (no soldering
required).

Who says it's not required? It's not facilitated or provided for, but
that's not the same as not required. Even Robert Macy -- and no one
has commented on his posts yet. I would like to hear others' opinion
on that -- didn't say that that a mere plug-in modular phone connector
(which is what cat5 and 6 use, except with more wires) was enough. He
disliked soldering but wants crimping. Plugging in is not crimping,
and he recommended crimping.
Apparently CAT5 uses either foil shields or braid and maybe both as alluded
to in this url ( http://sewelldirect.com/Cat5e-STP-Bulk-Cable.asp ).

Yes it does, to shield one pair from another, one wire from a wire in
another pair, but even your original cable doesn't bother to do that.
It only tries to shield the wires from the outside.

With Cat-5 or 6, you're paying for 4 pairs, 8 wires, instead of just 4
wires. That's a waste too.

And you're paying for them to put on ends which unless someone I know
convinces me otherwise, you should really cut off and solder or crimp
to the original wire.

They do use modular plugs where the phone line comes into the house,
if there is a Network Interface Device, or the same thing by another
name. It's a covered box, outside but above grade. I don't know how
often they need maintenance.
 
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