Do Not Call register now working

[Bob Parker]

** Hang on a mo - what the email says is basically correct.

Banks ( and many other similar businesses ) are not required to "wash" the
telephone phone numbers of their OWN customers with the DNCR before
phoning them.

Westpac must however respect your SPECIFIC request for no more product
marketing calls.

Westpac can still phone you anytime they like about other matters relating
to your account/s with them.


....... Phil

I was in a bit of a hurry when I wrote that. You're entirely right
of course.
Anyhow, I had a talk to one of their people and everything's sorted
out now. He told me he was sick of telemarketing calls from Telstra and
I told him to e-mail them and request removal from their marketing list
like I did.

Bob

 

[Bob Parker]

I was wondering about the unidentified numbers which have been
triggering my calling number display without leaving a message on the
answering machine for the last few days.
It was one of Westpac's contractors trying to sell me death insurance.
I've just e-mailed Westpac again, telling them that next time I'll
take it to the ACMA, since they've already said I've been removed from
their telemarketing list. They don't give up easily, do they Don?

Bob

 

[Don McKenzie]

I was wondering about the unidentified numbers which have been
triggering my calling number display without leaving a message on the
answering machine for the last few days.
It was one of Westpac's contractors trying to sell me death insurance.
I've just e-mailed Westpac again, telling them that next time I'll
take it to the ACMA, since they've already said I've been removed from
their telemarketing list. They don't give up easily, do they Don?

Bob

Well Bob, even when you report these companies, the DNC Register sends you email
messages saying that they are giving companies time to adjust to the new
regulations.

I have made 4 reports now. How long do you give the DNC register before they
should start taking some real action?

Don...




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[Bob Parker]

Well Bob, even when you report these companies, the DNC Register sends
you email messages saying that they are giving companies time to adjust
to the new regulations.

I have made 4 reports now. How long do you give the DNC register before
they should start taking some real action?

Don...

Thanks for the info. If the DNC threat doesn't work, I might have
to follow your example and tell Westpac that I'll change banks.

Bob

 

[Trevor Wilson]

Well Bob, even when you report these companies, the DNC Register sends
you email messages saying that they are giving companies time to adjust
to the new regulations.

I have made 4 reports now. How long do you give the DNC register before
they should start taking some real action?

**Yeah, me too. The DNC register is useless. Mind you: The number of
telemarketing calls to my 'phone has dropped dramatically. Complaints,
however, just elecit feeble excuses from the regulator.

Trevor Wilson

 

[Phil Allison]

"Trevor Wilson"

**Yeah, me too. The DNC register is useless. Mind you: The number of
telemarketing calls to my 'phone has dropped dramatically.

** Anyone see a self contradiction here ??

PLUS:

A dramatic drop in annoying, unsolicited calls is EXACTLY what was intended
by the new law. Since legitimate survey takers, charities etc are still
allowed to call you - complete elimination was never the aim.

Complaints, however, just elecit feeble excuses from the regulator.

** Trevor Wilson is using his home phone for business purposes (ie for
Rage Audio) .

http://www.rageaudio.com.au/index.php?p=1_3

Such numbers are NOT entitled to be on the DNC register in the first place.

Wot a pathetic bullshitter.




....... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"Rudolf"

What is the story with business numbers?
You can not list it in "do not call" register!

I just got an e-mail from them saying that only residential numbers are
allowed to be listed in "do not call" register.

** I've got a really amazing idea for you ..............

learn to fucking read !!!!

https://www.donotcall.gov.au/consumerfaq.cfm

http://www.acma.gov.au/webwr/_asset...ncr_consumers-private_or_domestic_numbers.pdf





...... Phil

 

[John Tserkezis]

And I love you too Phil.

Everybody loves Phil. If by everybody you mean no-one but his mother.

The real question is (spelling you out as you did not get it) "Why is that
acceptable to disturb business people?"
Answering those unwanted calls is a waste of time and money.

Because Phil will stick to the letter of what the 'do not call register'
stands for. Nothing useful. He doesn't count "allowed" callers as callers.
In real life, we the end users really don't care if the call comes from
someone flogging penis enlargement pills, or the royal society for charity.
At the end of the day, it's still one more call we have to take that is
counter-productive to our working day. This doesn't matter to Phil, because
it's within the do not call register "rules".

The do not call register has that many exceptions that it would make
virtually no difference at the end of the day to the telemarketers.

In fact, relating to your question to business customers, I can only
possibly see it get WORSE. If they had unabated freedom to call anyone,
anytime, and now they don't, they will _NOT_ just call less to meet their
restrictions. They will concentrate their calls to the demographic and hours
they can.

In other words, it's going to get worse. Or, at least, it's not going to
get better anyway.
I KNOW some have noted a reduction in calls, but personally (and the the
only reliable guide I have, is myself), I haven't noted ANY difference at all.

This has nothing to do with being acceptable. The do not call register is
purely a political move to make it "look like" they're doing something about
it, when in fact, it's little more than nothing.
This political smoke and mirrors doesn't last long, but it doesn't have to-
it just has to fool enough people for long enough to get to the next election.

Much like the wonderful free downloadable $186 million NetAlert "web filter"
software that was hacked by a teenager.

 

[Phil Allison]

"Rudolf"

And I love you too Phil.

The real question is (spelling you out as you did not get it) "Why is that
acceptable to disturb business people?"

** That IS explained in what you STILL have not READ !!!!!!!

Bloody idiot.



........ Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"John Jerkshis till it falls off "


** **** OFF


- you vile WANKER !!





...... Phil

 

[kreed]

I dunno how everyone else is going, but my experience is that
companies like Telstra & banks etc seem to have the attitude that now
that they alone are allowed to call people, they can do as much
high-pressure telemarketing of products to their existing customers as
they like.
The only difference is that their calling numbers aren't blocked.
I'm getting really sick of them.

Bob

I have had several calls in the last 2 weeks from Telstra - and its
usually a different local "telstra shop" (including a local area phone
number) rather than a telstra call centre? Also annoying is that they
(unsolicited) also seem to happily quote all sorts of account details
etc at you, I would think a reseller shouldnt have this info without
your request in relation to trying to shaft you from CDMA to NextG.
When I refer to the NextG as "those phones that have the really bad
coverage compared to CDMA" They seem to get a bit put out by this, and
they really must be pushing to sell this stuff.

Also I noticed on ACA today about the recording of customer
conversations in telstra shops, and shipping the recordings off to the
USA for evaluation. This was very disturbing, and Im starting to
wonder what is the lowest limit of depths this company will go to.

The rubbish from the banks has been happening once more, and its never
about anything useful - always rubbish like insurance etc. Responses
like "Im more interested in converting to a fee free account" usually
result in confusion.

 

[kreed]

What is the story with business numbers?
You can not list it in "do not call" register!

I just got an e-mail from them saying that only residential numbers are
allowed to be listed in "do not call" register.

Rudolf

That is one hole in the system for small business operators. If you
are running a business from home, about the only thing I can suggest
is listing your mobile number, rather than the home number as your
business number, and use the fixed line number as a home number (dont
list it anywhere as a business contact, and have the phone account in
your name). This will at least make the bastard spam callers pay
mobile rates to call you, rather than cheap landline rates.

On the downside, paying mobile rates might discourage legit customers,
but you will have to balance this with the amount of time wasted each
day (and productivity loss) attending to spam calls.

 

[Bob Parker]

I have had several calls in the last 2 weeks from Telstra - and its
usually a different local "telstra shop" (including a local area phone
number) rather than a telstra call centre? Also annoying is that they
(unsolicited) also seem to happily quote all sorts of account details
etc at you, I would think a reseller shouldnt have this info without
your request in relation to trying to shaft you from CDMA to NextG.
When I refer to the NextG as "those phones that have the really bad
coverage compared to CDMA" They seem to get a bit put out by this, and
they really must be pushing to sell this stuff.

Also I noticed on ACA today about the recording of customer
conversations in telstra shops, and shipping the recordings off to the
USA for evaluation. This was very disturbing, and Im starting to
wonder what is the lowest limit of depths this company will go to.

The rubbish from the banks has been happening once more, and its never
about anything useful - always rubbish like insurance etc. Responses
like "Im more interested in converting to a fee free account" usually
result in confusion.

Things are going from bad to worse. On the positive side, I can
tell everyone that after I asked Telstra to take me off their
telemarketing lists, I haven't had a single telemarketing call from them.
Now if only Westpac would do likewise ....

Bob

 

[Trevor Wilson]

I also have my afx number listed.
I hope telemarketers have fun talking to my fax machine. I can hear it
ringing and picking up and nothing arrives.

**I gave up my fax machine (and dedicated fax line) when I realised that
90% of my incoming faxes were junk faxes. Buggered if I will pay to
recieve junk mail (ink and paper). A fax machine is really not all that
important in business today.

Trevor Wilson

 

[Phil Allison]

"Rudolf"

I also have my fax number listed.

** That is clearly illegal.

The ACMA can remove any fax numbers from the register.





....... Phil

 

[John Tserkezis]

** That is clearly illegal.
The ACMA can remove any fax numbers from the register.

So the 'do not call register' is even more useless than before. Great.

 

[Alan Rutlidge]

**I gave up my fax machine (and dedicated fax line) when I realised that
90% of my incoming faxes were junk faxes. Buggered if I will pay to
recieve junk mail (ink and paper). A fax machine is really not all that
important in business today.

Trevor Wilson

A couple of suggestions -

1. Set your fax to outgoing only if that is an option for you.
2. Find out the numbers of the offending fax sender(s). Send them a
message asking them to cease sending you faxes.
3. If (2 above) doesn't work send them a 50 page fax of black paper. If
they have a bothway fax setup it sends them the message loud and clear (well
lots of black anyway)

Cheers,
Alan

 

[Phil Allison]

"John Tserkezis"


** **** off -


you COLOSSAL FUCKING MORON !!





....... Phil

 

[John Tserkezis]

1. Set your fax to outgoing only if that is an option for you.

Usually if you have a fax machine within a corporate environment, this isn't
an option.

2. Find out the numbers of the offending fax sender(s). Send them a
message asking them to cease sending you faxes.

You're a toothless tiger with no teeth. They have every legal right to send
you faxes, and you have no legal backing to stop them.

3. If (2 above) doesn't work send them a 50 page fax of black paper. If
they have a bothway fax setup it sends them the message loud and clear (well
lots of black anyway)

Not going to work. It's a fax modem that's designed to send only. If it's
configured to go both ways, the most you can do it occupy a bit of hard drive
space, and umpteen pages isn't going to help, a few keystrokes on any half
decent fax gate software will ensure you don't get any more than a certain
amount before pulling the plug (as so not to hold up the line).

Legal options will do nothing. You need hired goons to give them a stern
talking to.

 

[John Tserkezis]

** **** off -
you COLOSSAL FUCKING MORON !!

My claim is the 'do not call register' is outright useless.

Prove me wrong.

You can't. Whoops, I spelt "can't" wrong.