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  1. amdx

    amdx Guest

    Hi all,
    We have a single bulb central in the kitchen that I hate in the
    morning when I first get up to make my coffee. My wife usually is up
    first and has the light on. I have taken to putting on sunglasses to
    ease my pain. It is a 6500K, that's the problem.
    The bulb burned out and I have resolved to find a happy medium
    with the replacement.
    The bulb was a 23 watt 6500K Model L23TM4/65K
    Found a good sight for info;

    http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm...&sortParameter=brand_name&letter=ALL#tabletop

    http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm...&sortParameter=brand_name&letter=ALL#tabletop

    I already have already installed a bulb from the closet.
    It is a GE FLE26HT3/2/SW
    Finally, found the color temp it is a 2700K.

    I know she will not like it.

    Here we go!

    She just got home, she walked in and put stuff on the counter and
    walked back out. She didn't say anything, maybe she won't notice.

    Ahh, second trip in she said "oh, you replaced the light, I'll change it
    tomorrow"

    Ok, I knew it wouldn't fly so I'm back to finding a color temp we can
    both live with. I suspect she has a bit of a cataract problem, so more
    light is probably better, but 26 watts is about the highest wattage bulb
    I've seen.

    Right now we are between 2700K and 6500K.

    The base is up in the fixture inside of a globe, I'd go LED if
    it was not directional.

    So any suggestions for a bulb that would make us both happy.

    I plan on keeping the wife, but I guess I could move my coffee pot.


    Mikek
     
  2. amdx

    amdx Guest

    The 6500K bulb we had is rated 1600 Lumens.
    Mikek
     
  3. amdx

    amdx Guest

    That's not helpful.
    We do have a second 20 in fluorescent above the sink and a bulb in the
    hood over the oven.
    I checked the 20 in tube it is 4100K, I'll see if she can live with
    that temp.
    Mikek
     
  4. Sylvia Else

    Sylvia Else Guest

    It isn't clear that you've established that it's the colour temperature
    she's concerned about or the brightness.

    Sylvia.
     
  5. Guest

    There are many choices. Check out the HomeDespot or Lowes and such.
    There are at least a dozen color temperatures, light output ratings,
    and light quality ratings for these things. You'll probably go
    through half of them before one of you gives up. ;-)

    We only have a double 34W fixture in the kitchen (dumb - "high end"
    kitchen with a cheap-assed contractor-grade fluorescent fixture) and
    SWMBO was bitching about it being too dark to work. I replaced the
    tubes with a couple of 6500K tubes I'd bought for the workshop. Now
    she complains that it's too bright (and I bought a four-tube fixture
    to replace it). I'll probably try her on 4000K tubes in the new
    fixture.
     
  6. gregz

    gregz Guest

    I would think cataract would pride more glaring at high temp. I can't
    handle high temps. Regardless of brightness, I can't see or think clearly.
    The sun is ok, as the bandwidths are different.

    Greg
     
  7. amdx

    amdx Guest

    She thinks she likes the 6500K color.
     
  8. amdx

    amdx Guest

    She was pissed that I replaced it with something she didn't like.
    It turned into an argument and I just quit for the day.
    Later I'll try something around 4100K and see if she changes that.
    I a 6200K on my workbench that I like, but I don't use it first thing
    out of bed.
     
  9. mike

    mike Guest

    I've found that color temperature is bothersome at first, but you get used
    to whatever it is.

    I've had success using different temps in multi-bulb fixtures.

    Never thought about it before, but why can't they put multiple phosphors
    in a CFL and get broad spectrum output?

    But the bottom line is that there's only one correct answer.
    "Yes, dear."
     
  10. Sylvia Else

    Sylvia Else Guest

    My experience was that the daylight (i.e. high colour temperature)
    lighting seemed harsh at first, but now I can't stand the lower
    temperatures that were, after all, only really created to simulate
    incandescent lighting whose colour temperature would have been made
    higher in the first place had it been technically feasible.

    Sylvia.
     
  11. amdx

    amdx Guest

    I do get used to it, in fact I like it. I like it anytime
    after 9am.
    But I hate it at 6am when I first get out of bed.
    I can make my coffee in the little bit of light from the window
    with the curtain closed.
    Mikek
     
  12. amdx

    amdx Guest

    I found a 42 watt 4100K bulb.
    Not made to run base up AFAICT.
    http://www.greenelectricalsupply.com/42-watt-spiral-cfl-cool-white.aspx
    Mikek
     
  13. P E Schoen

    P E Schoen Guest

    "amdx" wrote in message
    You might try a "Grow Light", which mimics sunlight at about 5000K. I find
    it pleasing. They now come in screw base types:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grow_light

    http://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/led-household-bulbs/10-watt-led-grow-bulb/623/

    http://www.amazon.com/Ledwholesalers-LED-Incandescent-Replacement-Light/dp/B003QPA1BE

    http://www.eaglelight.com/category/led-lighting.led-e27-led-e26-bulbs/

    Paul
     
  14. mike

    mike Guest

    I have three 1.5W LED lamps.
    One in the bathroom.
    One in the living room.
    One in the kitchen.
    All run 24-7.
    Rarely have to turn on anything else.
    And I haven't tripped over anything in the dark since
    I set it up.
     
  15. hamilton

    hamilton Guest

    Are these outlet night lights ?

    where did you find them ?

    h
     
  16. IMHO, anything that blue-white makes butter look green, but I guess
    SWMBO MBO. It depends a bit on the color scheme in the room- if the
    walls are warm it can be less disgusting. When we bought our current
    house, it had a couple rooms done in a light yellow that combined with
    cool white fluorescent lamps to make a particularly ghastly glow.

    OTOH, I think it is difficult to have a surfeit of lumens in a kitchen
    or other work area.


    Best regards,
    Spehro Pefhany
     

  17. That's more than an hour and a half before sunrise here, so there
    won't be much (natural) light coming through the window at 6am, just a
    glow from the moon or orange light from zillions of sodium vapor lamps
    (soon to be replaced by the whiter glow from zillions of LED
    streetlamps in some kind of urban planning boondoggle).



    Best regards,
    Spehro Pefhany
     
  18. mike

    mike Guest

    Lights-Of-America Brand.
    WalMart, Costco. ~$6 each.
    I've seen 'em elsewhere, but at substantially higher cost.
    http://www.amazon.com/Lights-America-2325LEDE12-LF4-24-2-Watt-Flametip/dp/B004CTVKWM
    Looks like they're 2W now.
    There are several generations.
    Older ones have leaded LEDS that point up.
    Newer ones have a stalk with SMT LEDS radiating
    radially.
    Come in different color temperatures. The specify the light
    output on the package, but I didn't save it.
    Some bad reviews on reliability of the LOA brand.
    I've never had one fail.
     
  19. How about if you install another light for yourself in the morning?

    Keep your wife happy and she'll keep you happy, (at least in my
    experience.)

    George H.
     
  20. amdx

    amdx Guest

    There are 3 other more comfortable lights in the kitchen, if she
    hears me coming to the kitchen, she often will turn off the harsh, pain
    inducing, 6500k light bulb for me. :) Now if she'd just make my coffee!
    Mikek
     
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