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Detecting the Base/Radix of the Universe.

Discussion in 'Electronic Design' started by Skybuck Flying, Jul 26, 2013.

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  1. Hello,

    I was thinking of my corewars evolver and how the mutation code was single
    threaded and because of amdal's law or whatever it's called this might
    bottleneck the scalability of the software in the future. So two
    possibilities might exist:

    1. Multi thread the mutation code by for example ranking the winners, and
    then each thread processes a winner by dividing/distributing the winners
    among the mutation threads by using their rank and number of threads and so
    forth. Batch processing like... I already coded such an algorithm for
    something else so that might be possible.

    But I was thinking of another way to speed up the single threaded code:

    2. Instead of using all kinds of complex mutation code, keep it very simply
    by simplying modifieing 1 little bit in the instruction encoding of a
    warrior. So 1 bit mutations at a time.
    This could actually work... in case values go out of scope... apply some
    fixing/modulation to it to fix it up... it does security checks like this
    anyway... so kinda interesting idea... keep the ammount of code to maintain
    very low too and it might produce interesting mutations too.

    Which led me to the following idea/thought:

    Let's assume for a moment that the universe is running in a computer... just
    like our corewars simulations :) and let's suppose that God was lazy... or
    whoever build the super computer... maybe the super computer also evolved
    naturally and it is using very simply processing to do it's thing. Then Lazy
    God... or Natural Universe Building Method... :) might have come up with
    this very same idea: Causing mutations/random events from occuring simply by
    manipulating one single bit/digit/radix.

    I think this kind of simple mutation could be detected by analyzing changes
    to values, in the real world too perhaps.

    For example if the universe's computer was binary it could only alter values
    as follows:

    0, 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, and so forth.

    So the delta between new and old would always be one of these.

    Our system would be:

    0, 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,
    10, 100
    20 200
    30 300
    40 400
    50 500
    60 600
    70 700
    80 800
    90 900

    And so forth, depending on what radix position was changed/mutated.

    This idea is kinda interesting.

    Later today I might think of an algorithm that would be able to detect the
    "Base/Radix" of an unknown numbering system... by observing changes to

    Later today I will also google to see if such a "Base detection algorithm"
    already exists or not.

    If I do manage to invent such an algorithm... I'll make some software
    publicly available so that anybody in the world collecting random changes to
    values and plug/enter them into the software and see what it turns up/what
    kind of conclusion it comes to/base returned ! ;)

    If you have any ideas for such an algorithm let me know too... It might take
    the fun out of it if you beat me to it... if it doesn't exist yet... but
    that's ok.

    For now I have to go to the barbershop to get a badly needed haircut ! ;) =D

    May the Base system be with you ! ;) =D
  2. I did a quick google, cause I am kinda curious about it:

    This might be of some use:

    I think here a value (144 using symbols from our 10-digital system) in a
    *known* numbering system (base 8) is compared to a value (121 using symbols
    from our 10-digital system) in an *unknown* numbering system (r).

    Then a formula is given to find the value for r:

    To find r, just solve the quadratic equation: (r to the power of 2) plus (2
    multiplied by r) plus (1) equals (100)

    Also it seems the formula can be re-written as:

    ((r + 1) to the power of 2) equals (100)

    If this formula is correct I don't know yet... why this formula works I
    don't know yet.

    It could be valid for ours assuming 0 to 9.

    That could mean our base is 9 ? maybe this is slightly off by 1... at least
    this could indicating the number of digits and then add 1 or so ?

    However this idea/formula assumes that both values (121) and (144) have the
    same meaning/the same power in both bases.

    So I guess the formula is only suited if we can find values in our own base
    and then compare it to equal meaning values in the universe base.

    I am not sure how that would work ;) :)

    Maybe observing some kind of maximum... like our DNA only has 4 letters....
    so observing the ammount of different values/entities/solutions/ranges...
    now it's maybe getting a bit too vague...

    Maybe comparing values in different bases, is not the solution to finding
    the base of the universe.

    I shall stick with my original idea of observing changes in values ;) :)
    This way only a single base has to be examined.

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