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R.H.Campbell

Jan 1, 1970
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Ok, those have got to be the ONLY reasons I've heard that make any sense to
me...

RHC
 
J

JW

Jan 1, 1970
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R.H.Campbell said:
Ok, those have got to be the ONLY reasons I've heard that make any sense
to
me...

RHC


We have a lot of systems in vacation homes - they want to know if the power
goes out so they can have someone check the premises.
 
R

R.H.Campbell

Jan 1, 1970
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Yes, another good reason! I'm sure there are a few more as well.

I have to wonder though about the wholesale sending of AC failures to the
station which seems to be the default mode that a lot of installers /
alarmcos use. Surely doing this only serves to block the receivers during
major power failures to any real alarm signals that might be coming through.
Or perhaps the stations have a way to filter all these useless signals to
leave their receivers clear ? Either way, it still seems like a lot of
useless traffic for nothing...

RHC
 
I let the CMS decide on what signals they want .. i think they normally
have AC failure turned off, they change it when its uploaded and send
it back down to their specs. I turn everything on for initial
programming.
 
C

Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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Or the pipes may freeze or the house may melt from being too hot in the
summer.


|
| | > Ok, those have got to be the ONLY reasons I've heard that make any sense
| > to
| > me...
| >
| > RHC
|
|
| We have a lot of systems in vacation homes - they want to know if the
power
| goes out so they can have someone check the premises.
|
|
 
C

Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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Well, not really. They're not treated as incidents...and if you delay the
transmission and stagger the timing it's no more an overload than daily test
signals.


| Yes, another good reason! I'm sure there are a few more as well.
|
| I have to wonder though about the wholesale sending of AC failures to the
| station which seems to be the default mode that a lot of installers /
| alarmcos use. Surely doing this only serves to block the receivers during
| major power failures to any real alarm signals that might be coming
through.
| Or perhaps the stations have a way to filter all these useless signals to
| leave their receivers clear ? Either way, it still seems like a lot of
| useless traffic for nothing...
|
| RHC
|
|
| | >
| > | >> Ok, those have got to be the ONLY reasons I've heard that make any
sense
| >> to
| >> me...
| >>
| >> RHC
| >
| >
| > We have a lot of systems in vacation homes - they want to know if the
| > power goes out so they can have someone check the premises.
| >
|
|
 
C

Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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Yeppers.



| | > We get TONS of power fails here during monsoon season...calling on them
| all
| > is nuts.
| >
| > I know a local company that will dispatch on AC fail - they had a
problem
| > once and can't seem to get over it.
| >
| Monsoons? In AZ??
| js
|
|
 
C

Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
0
Exactly. While I have my morning java I review the history from yesterday.



| | > First I delay AC fail for one hour. Then I call on low battery if the
fail
| > lasts that long.
| >
| > I had gotten so many complaints abt calling on AC fail that I stopped
| doing
| > it...residential only...and exceptions being if there's a life support
| > device in use or wine cellar or freezer alarm or something like that.
|
| Same here. I see all the account activity first thing in the AM. If I
don't
| see a restore, I'll call the customer. 99% of the time the restore comes
in
| within an hour or 2.
| js
|
|
 
A

alarman

Jan 1, 1970
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R.H.Campbell said:
Ok, those have got to be the ONLY reasons I've heard that make any sense to
me...
What about the fact that the alarm system is no longer powered up, is
running on its battery, and will soon be rendered useless? Seems like a
significant event to me.
js
 
R

R.H.Campbell

Jan 1, 1970
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Ok, I'm not that familiar with the equipment in the station, and it's
capabilities. Perhaps that is the reason why they don't seem to care, or at
least don't make any kind of issue about it...

RHC
 
M

mikey

Jan 1, 1970
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Good Lord, do we all start our day this way? No wonder we're such a cranky
lot.
 
M

mikey

Jan 1, 1970
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alarman said:
What about the fact that the alarm system is no longer powered up, is
running on its battery, and will soon be rendered useless? Seems like a
significant event to me.
js

hahaha I wondered when we were going to get around to that one.
 
B

Bob Worthy

Jan 1, 1970
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Ever see those dry river beds with bridges over them and those deep revines
cut into the flat lands? You know the ones that the cowboy's horse had to
jump over when the indians were chasin them. Those were caused by water and
lots of it. The rest of the year your chokin on 114 degree dust.
 
R

R.H.Campbell

Jan 1, 1970
0
Yes, but realistically, with 10,000 alarms all reporting "AC failure", what
can anyone practically do about it.

RHC
 
C

Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
0
And you wouldn't want to know?


| Yes, but realistically, with 10,000 alarms all reporting "AC failure",
what
| can anyone practically do about it.
|
| RHC
|
| | > | >> Ok, those have got to be the ONLY reasons I've heard that make any
sense
| > to
| >> me...
| >>
| > What about the fact that the alarm system is no longer powered up, is
| > running on its battery, and will soon be rendered useless? Seems like a
| > significant event to me.
| > js
| >
| >
|
|
|
 
C

Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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You'd be surprised how quick they fill up during monsoon season,,,and how
many idiots try to cross in their suvs and get washed away.


| Ever see those dry river beds with bridges over them and those deep
revines
| cut into the flat lands? You know the ones that the cowboy's horse had to
| jump over when the indians were chasin them. Those were caused by water
and
| lots of it. The rest of the year your chokin on 114 degree dust.
|
| | > Yeppers.
| >
| >
| >
| > | > | | > | > We get TONS of power fails here during monsoon season...calling on
| them
| > | all
| > | > is nuts.
| > | >
| > | > I know a local company that will dispatch on AC fail - they had a
| > problem
| > | > once and can't seem to get over it.
| > | >
| > | Monsoons? In AZ??
| > | js
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
|
 
C

Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
0
Hi, My name is Crash and I'm a alarm addict.
Hi Crash!


| Good Lord, do we all start our day this way? No wonder we're such a cranky
| lot.
|
| | > Exactly. While I have my morning java I review the history from
yesterday.
| >
| >
| >
| > | > | | > | > First I delay AC fail for one hour. Then I call on low battery if
the
| > fail
| > | > lasts that long.
| > | >
| > | > I had gotten so many complaints abt calling on AC fail that I
stopped
| > | doing
| > | > it...residential only...and exceptions being if there's a life
support
| > | > device in use or wine cellar or freezer alarm or something like
that.
| > |
| > | Same here. I see all the account activity first thing in the AM. If I
| > don't
| > | see a restore, I'll call the customer. 99% of the time the restore
comes
| > in
| > | within an hour or 2.
| > | js
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
|
 
R

R.H.Campbell

Jan 1, 1970
0
No, not until they start sending in low battery signals !

BTW, on that same subject, I've noticed that DSC will run the battery down
to practially zero before shutting down ,thereby effectively killing it or
rendering it's useful life much shorter; however, Paradox seems to shut the
panel down automatically if the battery goes much below 10 volts, thereby
saving the battery from harm. I've also noticed, if the battery goes into a
dead short situation, Paradox also shuts the panel down until the battery is
replaced preventing it from bursting and spilling acid everywhere.

I don't know if this shutdown feature means the panel won't run as long on
battery or not though

RHC
 
C

Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
0
So the cleaning lady and her criminal hubby who have a grudge against the
client, unplug the transformer and the battery, then come back and rob the
place. You'll never know it till the client comes home from vacation.

Anyway, I do want to know, I just want to decide what to do about it and not
bother the client with calls unless necessary. (on residential).

I use panels that protect the battery from deep discharge. I've never liked
DSC so I only have a handfull of takeovers out there and when they die they
will be replaced by something else.



| No, not until they start sending in low battery signals !
|
| BTW, on that same subject, I've noticed that DSC will run the battery down
| to practially zero before shutting down ,thereby effectively killing it or
| rendering it's useful life much shorter; however, Paradox seems to shut
the
| panel down automatically if the battery goes much below 10 volts, thereby
| saving the battery from harm. I've also noticed, if the battery goes into
a
| dead short situation, Paradox also shuts the panel down until the battery
is
| replaced preventing it from bursting and spilling acid everywhere.
|
| I don't know if this shutdown feature means the panel won't run as long on
| battery or not though
|
| RHC
|
| | > And you wouldn't want to know?
| >
| >
| > | > | Yes, but realistically, with 10,000 alarms all reporting "AC failure",
| > what
| > | can anyone practically do about it.
| > |
| > | RHC
| > |
| > | | > | > | > | >> Ok, those have got to be the ONLY reasons I've heard that make any
| > sense
| > | > to
| > | >> me...
| > | >>
| > | > What about the fact that the alarm system is no longer powered up,
is
| > | > running on its battery, and will soon be rendered useless? Seems
like
| > a
| > | > significant event to me.
| > | > js
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
 
F

Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
0
Crash Gordon said:
So the cleaning lady and her criminal hubby who have a grudge against the
client, unplug the transformer and the battery, then come back and rob the
place. You'll never know it till the client comes home from vacation.

They wouldn't have to go that far. Just unplug the telephone. A dishonest
"cleaning lady" has got to be a nightmare to begin with. A "dishonest
cleaning lady that knows about alarm systems" is *beyond* nightmare. I
don't even wanna think about it!!

Anyway, I do want to know, I just want to decide what to do about it and
not
bother the client with calls unless necessary. (on residential).

Best thing to do is have someone at the station call the local power
authority and find out if there are any reported outages in the area because
you have a client at "such and such" an address whose system just
transmitted an "AC fail". Let them follow up and get back to you. If
there's no response in 30 minutes, contact the registered keyholders. A low
battery would, of course, be a whole different "ballgame".

I use panels that protect the battery from deep discharge. I've never
liked
DSC so I only have a handfull of takeovers out there and when they die
they
will be replaced by something else.


DSC's OK. I've had very few "die". And it's cheaper for the customer for
you to replace the main board than the control and all the keypads.
 
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