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baron

Jan 1, 1970
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Sylvia Else Inscribed thus:
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How does a CRT end up with a vertical line of dead pixels?

Sylvia.

I've never seen a crt with a line of dead anything ! If its a dead
straight vertical line then its unlikely to be the crt. Possibly some
artifact of the video feed... maybe ?
 
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PeterD

Jan 1, 1970
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http://tinyurl.com/yz3eko4

How does a CRT end up with a vertical line of dead pixels?

Sylvia.

It processes the signal as digital then converts to analog for the CRT
driver. I'd guess it is not going to be worth trying to fix, something
is gone in the digital section(s).
 
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D Yuniskis

Jan 1, 1970
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Sylvia said:
http://tinyurl.com/yz3eko4

How does a CRT end up with a vertical line of dead pixels?

It doesn't. :> I suspect there are *two* "lines of dead
pixels" in this CRT -- though only one is probably visible
(luck?).

There are two (3?) wires that cross the screen (usually horizontally
but since this is a wider aspect ratio screen, they might be
oriented vertically) used to stabilize the aperture grill.
 
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Baron

Jan 1, 1970
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I've never seen a crt with a line of dead anything ! If its a dead
straight vertical line then its unlikely to be the crt. Possibly some
artifact of the video feed... maybe ?

It's a Trinitron tube. This type of CRT doesn't use a shadow mask.
Instead, it uses a shadow grid - a bunch of very fine parallel
vertical wires, stretched from top to bottom.

An occasional fault in a Trinotron is for one of the shadow wires to
end up out of position. If I recall properly, this can happen if
somebody uses an external degausser - the magnetic field can shove one
wire across the one next to it. This will cause a subtle vertical
stripe to appear on the screen.,. looks rather like a row of dead
pixels.

I think there's a Field Engineering Repair procedure for this...
rapping sideways on the case, with just the right amount of force, to
jar the stuck wires apart and allow the displaced one to snap back to
its correct position. I don't know how much force is required.

One can sometimes see this effect even on a perfectly good
Trinotron tube... I think that in some models there are vertical
reinforcing rods in the grid assembly which can produce a shadow on
the tube.
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Dave: Thanks for those notes. I wasn't aware of the vertical wire grid
in a Trinitron tube. I knew about the two horizontal ones. I can
actually see those in my screen.
 
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Sylvia Else

Jan 1, 1970
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Adrian said:
Faulty digital frame buffer.

I'd be surprised if a television like that had a frame buffer. What
would it be for?

Sylvia.
 
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Adrian C

Jan 1, 1970
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Sylvia said:
I'd be surprised if a television like that had a frame buffer. What
would it be for?

The set features a digital tuner.
 
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Sylvia Else

Jan 1, 1970
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Adrian said:
The set features a digital tuner.

Fair point. Still, if the pixels were dead only in digital reception
mode, I think the seller would have said so.

Sylvia.
 
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Samuel M. Goldwasser

Jan 1, 1970
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Sylvia Else said:
I'd be surprised if a television like that had a frame buffer. What
would it be for?

It has a DTV tuner, thus it has digital storage and one or more frame
buffers.

However, I would be skeptical that a digital failure would result
in a vertical line fault in a non-flat panel TV, though might be
possible.

Has anyone contacted the seller to get a more detailed description of
the appearance of the "dead pixels" or a photo? Also, a CRT fault
will stay fixed on the screen regardlerss of the mode or any adjustments
while soemthing in the digital processing would almost cerrtainly not.

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Sylvia Else

Jan 1, 1970
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Bob said:
Good question. I've only ever seen a fault like that on an LCD panel.

The stuck shadow wire concept seems reasonably plausible, though I'd
expect it to produce a line of bright pixels next to the dark ones -
electrons from more than one cathode reaching the phosphor.

Sylvia.
 
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William Sommerwerck

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm not even sure what "dead pixels on a CRT" actually means.

I've seen one or two CRTs with missing phosphor spots, but they're extremely
rare, as they wouldn't normally get through QC.

A vertical line of them is hard to believe. And as for tangled
aperture-grille wires... I've seen this on a 36" Sony (in fact, we discussed
it several months ago), but all it did was badly screw up the purity.

It goes without saying that if the "defect" comes and goes, or moves with
the program material, it can't be in the tube.

A photograph would be really useful.
 
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PeterD

Jan 1, 1970
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I'd be surprised if a television like that had a frame buffer. What
would it be for?

Sylvia.

Read the specifications, the video is digital to the CRT. Basically a
'cross-over' model on the way to full (LCD etc.) digital. Frame
buffers are not unusual in these types of sets (the wide-screen
variety)
 
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Sjouke Burry

Jan 1, 1970
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Sylvia said:
I'd be surprised if a television like that had a frame buffer. What
would it be for?

Sylvia.
Freeze pic/digital zoom in/out.
 
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Bob Larter

Jan 1, 1970
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Sylvia said:
The stuck shadow wire concept seems reasonably plausible, though I'd
expect it to produce a line of bright pixels next to the dark ones -
electrons from more than one cathode reaching the phosphor.

End users aren't usually very good at describing symptoms accurately.
It's entirely possible that the fault is actually as you've suggested.
I'd try degaussing the middle of the line, in the hopes of shaking the
wire loose.
 
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William Sommerwerck

Jan 1, 1970
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It's entirely possible that the fault is actually as you've suggested.
Get a rubber mallet and hit it in the face - pretty hard. If the
aperture grill lines are twisted, that will set them straight. I've
done this after a nasty trip with an external degaussing coil.

Simply lifting the set and dropping it gently (???) might fix the problem.
This happend to my Sony WEGA in March when it was moved from the LR to the
BR. The splotch disappeared, and has not come back.
 
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