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  1. yy7d6

    yy7d6 Guest

    Hi,
    What is the trace mismatch tolerance of DQ and DQS signals of
    200Mhz-DDR. Should i just keep them within 2.5" and it will be ok?
     
  2. PeteS

    PeteS Guest

    To calculate the trace mismatch you can have, you'll need to do a proper
    timing budget. It's more than just the DQ set (which includes DQS) and
    you have to run the budget for both read and write (they are different).

    'Keeping them all within 2.5"' will _not_ do it. I almost had a C|N>K
    moment when I read that.

    Micron has a nice app note describing the process. Post what you are
    using (controller, memory type etc) and we might help guide you through
    the process.

    Cheers

    PeteS
     
  3. Didi

    Didi Guest

    Micron has a nice app note describing the process. Post what you are
    Actually most if not all about length matching in these application
    notes
    is just scaremongering. At apr. 150 pS/inch, doing even a 1/2" inch
    length
    mismatch will add 75 pS of skew - hardly an issue at 200 MHz DDR.
    To relate to another recent thread here, sometimes even the plain
    arithmetics can be fairly helpful... :).

    Dimiter
     
  4. PeteS

    PeteS Guest


    Hi Dimiter

    Well, it depends.

    At 200MHz, (400MT/s), the maximal data window is 2.5nS. When one
    subtracts a typical 0.7nS for the DDR controller skew (that depends on
    the controller, of course) and an access window of +/- 0.7nS, subtract
    the DQ jitter [and a number of other parameters] and board jitter
    (mostly deterministic) and that 75pS is no longer a small matter.

    The OP can get a lot of free support information here:
    http://www.micron.com/support/designsupport/tools/ddrtoolbox/ddrtoolbox.aspx

    Although one _may_ get away with 0.5 inch mismatch, it probably won't be
    guaranteed timing across temperature and parts. I like to design for
    guaranteed margins. The last time I designed DDR onto a board (not
    DIMM/SODIMM) I ended up with 120pS of guaranteed margin. SODIMM can be
    just as tight.

    For the OP - it's not just the DQ set - the timing budget has to be set
    against the Clock pair -> Address/control, Clock pair -> DQ set. As the
    strobes are driven from the memory diring a write cycle, you have to
    subtract the outbound time from your receive data window. I strongly
    suggest you read a typical datasheet and the file 'Plat7Justin.pdf' on
    the page referenced, at the very least.

    Cheers

    PeteS

    Cheers

    PeteS
     
  5. Look at a PC motherboard. Do you think they put in all those squiggles
    just for the heck of it?
     
  6. yy7d6

    yy7d6 Guest

    Hi,
    I use spartan-3 fpga for ddr controller, also for info i'm using the
    SSTL with DCI. I had a simulation of 10 inch trace and i got a couple
    of hundred of ps of skew, why keeping the trace lengths <2.5inch will
    not do? Is it ok to have at least 1/3 data window of total data period.
    BTW, my main concern is to identify the effective trace length from the
    fpga to the ddr address/ and dQ lines...

    --yy
     
  7. PeteS

    PeteS Guest

    I understand you want to read the minimum necessary.

    The reality is that DDR timing budgets require a reasonable amount of
    time to calculate.

    Read the app notes on the page I referenced and then ask again,
    referencing the appropriate timing results from post PAR timing on your
    FPGA.


    Cheers

    PeteS
     
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