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DC short circuit calculation formula for copper busbar

hojat

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hello everyone
would u please help me,give a guidance to find DC short circuit calculation formula for copper busbar?
do u people have any idea?
 

hojat

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das ist richtig,aber ich brauche perfekt antwort..danke sehr
 

Harald Kapp

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Where is the problem? The equation I gave is perfect. What else do you need to know?
 

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dear harold..would you pls interpret your formula? i cant figure this out..how can we use this for DC..my project has 200V DC and 38000 A current..give me some advice please
 

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would you pls interpret your formula?
There's noting much to interpret. It is Ohm's law - straightforward.
R = resistance
V = voltage
I = current
Knowing any two of these variables you can calculate the third. To arrive at the short circuit currrent of the busbar yolu need to know its resistance (should be a very, very small Ohm value) and the voltage.
 

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excuse me dear Harald. i know the ohm law,, but would u please give me an example about DC calculating short cicuit?
 

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but would u please give me an example about DC calculating short cicuit?
Sorry, I can't follow you. From Ohm's law you get I=V/R. So where is the issue? This equation is valid regardless of the type of voltage or current, be it DC, AC or mixed.
Your busbar has a finite resistance, although a very low one. Probably a few milliOhms. You'll have to know this resistance to calculate short circuit current from the applied voltage.
 

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is there any chance to calculate short circuit by knowing transformer variables like uk%?
 

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Which transformer? You've been asking about a DC busbar...

For any circuit, be it a transformer, busbar or whatever you get I=V/R. Know the open circuit voltage V and the resistance R )e.g. winding resistance, wire resistance) and calculate I.

Maybe this helps?
 

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Dear harald..making it short, our busbar has 5 parallel bar with 390x20 mm dimension with 10 m long. 200 V DC incoming and 38000 A Nominal current..pls calculate short circuit? How can i calculate impedance?
 

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The resistance of a length of copper is calculated from the specific resistance rho and the geometry (length l and cross sectional area A). R = rho*l/A
For copper rho = 1.68×10−8 Ω*m

Therefore R = 1.68×10−8 Ω*m * 10m / (390 mm * 20 mm) = 2.15×10−5 Ω per busbar.
Putting 5 bars in parallel gives R = 1/5*2.15×10−5 Ω = 4.3×10−6 Ω

This is assuming the short circuit happens at the end (10 m) of the busbar. For a short circuit in between, the shorter length (<10 m) has to be taken into account.
 

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dear harald the way you proceed give us busline current...referring to your declare I=200/4.3x10-6 is that true? is there any derating factor for converting Ac short circuit current to Dc?
 

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I=200/4.3x10-6 is that true?
This is for the busbar only. The cables feeding the busbar have a resistance, too, which needs to be taken into account. You need to look at the whole system, not the busbar as an isolated item.

is there any derating factor for converting Ac short circuit current to Dc?
Not when your AC values are RMS. RMS values are defined such that the AC RMS value is equivalent to the same DC value.
 

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Harald,
I'M sorry to say this but :
This guy sounds like a TROLL if I have ever seen one!
Just ignore him...38000A yes sure...:mad:
 

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dorke,, i dont lie body..this busbar use for electrolysis.. for purity assessment...melting copper
 

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@dorke : I'm sorry, too, but this amperage is really common in the electrolysis of metals.

@hojat : What irks me is how you come to deal with such massive amounts of energy while at the same time lacking some real fundamental knowledge. I only hope you are under the supervision of someone with expert knowledge. Otherwise whatever you try to accomplish with the information you're getting here can result in a disaster.
 

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hello everyone
would u please help me,give a guidance to find DC short circuit calculation formula for copper busbar?
do u people have any idea?
You have been given some good advice and a reference by @Harald Kapp but you have provided no information on why you need to calculate the short-circuit current in the bus bar. You know the copper bus bars are capable of providing a 38000 ampere current to your process. They are certainly capable of more current than that, but how much short-circuit current can your power supply provide? How do you interrupt a fault current that could possibly produce a 100 kA arc?
 
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