DC generator vs DC Converter

[Steve Spence]

Steve Spence wrote:




What? You recommend that people _not_ take advantage of existing rebates?
Thus encouraging the people who _don't_ to pay for others panels.

We don't have any rebates here, but I would never suggest to anyone that
they not apply for any that were offered. I'm already paying enough to
subsidize the oil & gas industry - I should be able to take advantage of
the subsidies that apply to _me_.

In this case, Ulysses was quoting figures that look normal to me, but seemed
high for what I knew of California. It hadn't occurred to me that CA
rebates only applied to grid-connected homes.

I didn't use any rebates for my stuff, I bought it myself. Folks have to
realize that the fantastic $40k discount they get on their $80k system
was paid for by taxpayers in general, it isn't free money. You want to
go solar? Fine. But pay for it yourself, and base your payback on your
money, not your neighbors. They didn't have a choice in your purchase
decision.

 

[wmbjk]

You are still wrong. Now all the clues are there work it out. I have the
logged data and it is much more reliable than your ranting.

Silly me, the voltages you quoted were only "clues", and the point of
your story was to begin a guessing game! How thoughtful of you!
Perhaps saying what you mean was just too pedestrian. Well, apparently
we're all out of guesses, which makes you the winner! Could it be that
the only reason you're still weaseling instead of posting the logged
data is because that would be an even worse violation of the First
Rule of Holes? Nah...

Wayne

 

[George Ghio]

I didn't use any rebates for my stuff, I bought it myself. Folks have to
realize that the fantastic $40k discount they get on their $80k system
was paid for by taxpayers in general, it isn't free money. You want to
go solar? Fine. But pay for it yourself, and base your payback on your
money, not your neighbors. They didn't have a choice in your purchase
decision.

Yep, he bought it himself, why don't you help him buy some more himself
by making a donation at http://www.green-trust.org/. This is a guy who
is so self reliant that when things get a bit hard he just whips out his
trusty begging bowl. No, he doesn't need a rebate scheme. He has his own.

 

[Steve Spence]

Yep, he bought it himself, why don't you help him buy some more himself
by making a donation at http://www.green-trust.org/. This is a guy who
is so self reliant that when things get a bit hard he just whips out his
trusty begging bowl. No, he doesn't need a rebate scheme. He has his own.

ah, but when folks donate to us (we are a non-profit, remember, george),
it's by choice. When you use a rebate, your neighbors are not being
given the choice of "donating" to your solar array, you are taking it
from them, through government taxes. Do you have non-profit
organizations where you live , George. How do you think they provide the
services they do? From donations. Folks who donate to us are indicating
that they appreciate the services we have provided, at no charge, to the
community.

 

[Derek Broughton]

I didn't use any rebates for my stuff, I bought it myself. Folks have to
realize that the fantastic $40k discount they get on their $80k system
was paid for by taxpayers in general, it isn't free money. You want to
go solar? Fine. But pay for it yourself, and base your payback on your
money, not your neighbors. They didn't have a choice in your purchase
decision.

I'm sorry Steve, but that just seems nuts to me. Of course it's not free
money, but _you_ are the one who's paying for those rebates. Everyone else
is taking advantage of them, and it doesn't make any sense at all to take
the moral high ground and refuse to take your tax dollars back. Campaign
against rebates if you want - but don't forget to campaign against the
subsidies to the oil industry, while you're at it.

Looked at from another pov, you're subsidizing your neighbors use of fossil
fuels and not letting them help pay for your alternatives.

 

[Anthony Matonak]

Derek Broughton wrote:
....

In this case, Ulysses was quoting figures that look normal to me, but seemed
high for what I knew of California. It hadn't occurred to me that CA
rebates only applied to grid-connected homes.

I'm no lawyer, nor do I play one on the internet, but I believe if you
read the language of the CA rebates closely enough that the term "grid"
can be interpreted to apply to any system of wires that supplies power
to your home. This means you might be able to get the rebates even if
you consider your home "off-grid".

Anthony

 

[Steve Spence]

Derek Broughton wrote:
...



I'm no lawyer, nor do I play one on the internet, but I believe if you
read the language of the CA rebates closely enough that the term "grid"
can be interpreted to apply to any system of wires that supplies power
to your home. This means you might be able to get the rebates even if
you consider your home "off-grid".

Anthony

Not in NY. Only a connection to Niagara Mohawk with a netmetering
contract would entitle me to a rebate. No thanks.

 

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The Phila Sustainable Development Fund PV rebate covers everyone in
the PECO service territory, whether grid-connected or not.

Nick

 

[George Ghio]

Steve Spence wrote:
SNIP

ah, but when folks donate to us (we are a non-profit, remember, george),
it's by choice. When you use a rebate, your neighbors are not being
given the choice of "donating" to your solar array, you are taking it
from them, through government taxes. Do you have non-profit
organizations where you live , George. How do you think they provide the
services they do? From donations. Folks who donate to us are indicating
that they appreciate the services we have provided, at no charge, to the
community.

So democracy is dead and those people the government is stealing the
rebate money from did not have a say in choosing the government.

It also seems a bit odd that the "Donated Money" seems to be being spent
on your property. Oh thats right all the surplus generated energy is
being given to the poor who live in the area.

No, you are a stammer. Right down to the "My wife is sick, I've lost my
job, send me money. My pastor says I deserve it story"

Visit <http://greendodgytrust.com/ihopethetaxmanisblind> today and give
poor Steve some of your money so he can maintain his lifestyle.

And on the topic of dodgy things the spreadsheet offered on your site is
worthless. I suggest you either fix it or remove it. Funny how your site
seems to have so many dodgy points.

Why is that?

 

[Jim Baber]

I didn't use any rebates for my stuff, I bought it myself. Folks have
to realize that the fantastic $40k discount they get on their $80k
system was paid for by taxpayers in general, it isn't free money.

Jim Baber's comment to Steve:
The CA rebate program is NOT general tax money. It is funded
as a percentage tax collected from moneys paid by users of specific
utility companies power into the rebate fund as a part of their electric
rates. These refunds are restricted to the classes of customers that
contributed into that fund to begin with: (the customers of those same
utilities: So. Calif. Edison, Pacific Gas & Electric and San Diego Gas &
Electric). This is why it is commonly believed to be restricted to the
grid. It is not just for residential users, commercial and governmental
agencies can also claim money from the rebate program for solar and wind
generation facilities.

You want to go solar? Fine. But pay for it yourself, and base your
payback on your money, not your neighbors. They didn't have a choice
in your purchase decision.

No, but they could also have partaken. I just chose to put a cap on my
own future power costs in the most economical manner I could. I figure
that the 40 or 50 kWh of power I put onto the grid during the peak hours
in an average day, helps a great deal in keeping other grid users power
bills lower than they would be if PG&E had to buy that same peaking
power elsewhere. This is even truer today as the cost of the gas used
for most power peaking plants is going up as fast as it is.