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Discussion in 'Power Electronics' started by Cheeks, Jun 19, 2019.

  1. Cheeks

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    Hi, I have a wireless, outdoor Brookstone speaker with an aux transmitter. It's the old model - at least 10 years old.

    The transmitter has a power cord that says DC 9V.
    The manual says the speaker also came with one that is DC 9V (if 8 D batteries are not available).
    Unfortunately, I have misplaced the power cord for the speaker. The company was unable to help me locate a replacement. I tried the transmitter power cord in the speaker and it does not fit.

    So, what can I use to replace this? It says DC but does that actually mean AC to DC? Is that the same as AC/DC? If I found another DC 9V in the house is it safe to use it? Thank you for any help and information!
     
  2. Bluejets

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    You will need the nameplate current rating details from the system or a link to your model specs or manual.
    Just any old 9v plugpack you might have laying around simply will not do.
     
  3. Cheeks

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    Thank you for your reply! I've attached the manual, but I'm not seeing any specs that might be on the nameplate. I suppose I could try contacting Brookstone again, although all they did last time was send me the manual for the newer model.
     

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  4. dave9

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    It can't use much current at only 9V. I'd seek a 1A @ 9V supply. The other factor is the connector, does it use a typical DC barrel socket for power input? If you don't find a power supply with a mating connector then you'll need to buy a connector separately and solder it on.

    The two most common size barrel connectors (if that's what it is) are both 5.5mm O.D. and one has 2.5mm I.D. but the other is 2.1mm I.D.

    https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...V+1A+adapter.TRS0&_nkw=9V+1A+adapter&_sacat=0
     
  5. BobK

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    8 D cells makes 12V. Are you sure the adapter is 9?

    Bob
     
  6. duke37

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    You can make a couple of wooden batteries and fix some thin tinplate at the end to make a connection. Solder a wire to the tinplate and feed with 9V of the correct polarity. Note that 8 batteries will give more like 12V.
     
  7. dave9

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    I'd imagine it's set up that way so it still functions at the end of the discharge curve for 8 series cells, closer to 8V.

    On the other hand, this also means it is 12V tolerant and would have higher output power at 12V, as well as 12V brick AC/DC adapters being more common... he might even have one lying around the house. Just make sure it's a regulated switching supply not something that floats closer to 16V at low load, which could be measured with a multimeter before plugging it into the speaker.

    It does make you wonder why they spec'd 9V, perhaps it gets on the hot side and depends on voltage droop from the 8 series cells to limit power and stay within thermal margins.
     
  8. duke37

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    There will be plenty of room inside the battery compartment to fit a 9V or 10V regulator.
    I was asked to repair a US 120V ghetto blaster which had been run on 240V. I fitted a 9V regulator in the battery compartment. This was a 7805 with the reference pin raised with a red led. It worked but would not respond to the zapper. I may rewind the mains transformer in the next decade or two.
     
  9. Audioguru

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    When you shop for an AC/DC adapter, the very important polarity of the jack on the receiver shown in the manual must be matched by the plug on the adapter.
     

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  10. Cheeks

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    Thank you for all the replies, this is really helpful.
    Dave9: yes, it is a barrel socket for power input. I've attached a picture which shows that it is the 5.5mm size.

    BobK: The picture notes 9V and there are definitely 8 D batteries in there.

    I appreciate the ideas of soldering or making wooden batteries (is that a thing?) or inserting regulators, or using a multimeter. These are all things that are beyond my abilities or that I don't have the tools to do.

    AudioGuru: I'll definitely make sure it has that picture on it, which matches the diagram in my picture below.
    So aside from that i'll look for something with a 5.5MM barrel, 9v, 1Amp power cord? Does W matter? This one is 12W, what do you think? https://www.amazon.com/Belker-Unive...ord+1a+dc&qid=1561031854&s=electronics&sr=1-4


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  11. BobK

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    1A might not be sufficient. Do the speakers have a power rating?

    Bob
     
  12. Audioguru

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    Stereo was not mentioned, I assume the speaker is mono.

    With a 9V supply and one linear single ended amplifier feeding an 8 ohms speaker, the power output is 1W and the heating is an additional 1W so the total is 2W. A 9V/0.25A adapter or even more current is fine. If the speaker is 4 ohms then a 0.5A adapter is fine.

    Who knows if the speaker uses a bridged amplifier that produces 4W into an 8 ohm speaker? 8W into a 4 ohm speaker and they guess that nobody would overload it by playing full power tones continuously?
     
  13. Alec_t

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    At least you have a polarity marking on the plastic. The centre pin of the barrel connector is +ve.
     
  14. dave9

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    The one you linked should work. You'd just be paying a few dollars more for the voltage adjustment feature and extra tips, though having both the 2.1mm and 2.5mm I.D. tips, eliminates the need to guesstimate which it is... though from the picture I'd guess it's 2.1mm.

    Sometimes I guess these things wrong so I prefer to try plugging in a random adapter I have lying around, a 2.1mm adapter's plug first to see if it fits.

    At the same time if you'd find the adjustable feature and multiple tips handy to power other things in the future, they also sell a 30W version for only a couple dollars more:

    https://www.amazon.com/Belker-Universal-Adapter-Household-Electronics/dp/B078LSVVTB
     
    Last edited: Jun 20, 2019
  15. Audioguru

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    Having an adjustable voltage on an adapter is asking for something to be blown up by it.
     
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  16. dave9

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    ^ Perhaps, but they don't discriminate different voltage adapters with different barrel plug sizes in any standardized way so there's always been a risk to use the wrong voltage for a device when you mix and match using a different PSU than what came with the device.
     
  17. Audioguru

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    I label my adapters for what they should be used with.
     
  18. BobK

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    I would be very surprised if an outdoor speaker produced only 1W of output. You would barely be able to hear it.

    Bob
     
  19. Audioguru

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    I figured that an amplifier powered from only 9VDC has a maximum output swing of 8V peak-to-peak if it is good, which is 2.83V RMS. Then the power in an 8 ohms speaker is exactly 1W. If the amplifier is bridged then its output is 3W to 4W into 8 ohms.
    A little LM386 amplifier IC produces only 6V p-p into 8 ohms when powered from 9VDC. Then its output power is only 0.56W.
     
  20. BobK

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    Based pm what Brookstone stuff costs, I would expect a bridged class D amp.

    Bob
     
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