Datasheet Reference Book

[numberdude]

I've been looking for datasheets for various transsistors with limited
success. Is there a reference book I can buy that has detailed info on
various transistors? I found lots of info on 2n2222 and 2n3904 transistors,
but no luck on less common ones like 2n3866. I need info on input and output
impedances to be used in matching networks. Thanks.

Allen Arnold
[email protected]

 

[Fernan Bolando]

For personal projects I
usually check google, go to the manufacturer website. If that doesn't
work I email them for the specs and most of them are more than happy
to help.

,Fernan

 

[Paul Burridge]

I've been looking for datasheets for various transsistors with limited
success. Is there a reference book I can buy that has detailed info on
various transistors? I found lots of info on 2n2222 and 2n3904 transistors,
but no luck on less common ones like 2n3866. I need info on input and output
impedances to be used in matching networks. Thanks.

I'm not aware of any databooks that list information on Zin/Zout etc.
For that you would normally check the datasheet for the individual
device concerned. Try Googling for "2N3866 datasheet" and see what it
throws up. I generally find what I need this way.

 

[Winfield Hill]

Allen Arnold wrote...

I've been looking for datasheets for various transsistors with limited
success. Is there a reference book I can buy that has detailed info on
various transistors? I found lots of info on 2n2222 and 2n3904
transistors, but no luck on less common ones like 2n3866. I need info
on input and output impedances to be used in matching networks. Thanks.

Well, Allen, the 3n3866 has been discontinued for many years, if not
decades! But I do have 10 different data sheets in my collection.
An old Motorola 6-page version has 19 figures plotting admittance vs
frequency among the various parameters. A newer 4-page Motorola data
sheet is missing most of those figures, but instead has s-parameter
Smith charts that look useful. A 9-page Philips sheet has lots of
circuit diagrams reminding me of the old RCA data sheet.

I'd be happy to email you those three data sheets if you like.

As for databooks, it's hard to get them out of manufacturers these
days, so flea markets and eBay auctions have become prime sources.
But ON Semi (formerly Motorola) has their recent databooks online,
http://www.onsemi.com/site/support/literature/list/0,4858,databooks_0,00.html

For example, you can download DL126-D, which is a 1135-page Small-
Signal Transistor Databook, and DL110-D, a 1449-page RF & IF Device
Databook (but it won't have an old 2n3866 in it). But watch out,
these are 15.4MB and 18.9MB files! Actually not bad, considering
the number of pages and the amount of graphics contained therein.

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Allen Arnold wrote...



Well, Allen, the 3n3866 has been discontinued for many years, if not
decades!

I assume you mean 2N3866- it is still manufactured:
http://www.advancedsemiconductor.com/index_trans.html

 

[Winfield Hill]

Fred Bloggs wrote...

I assume you mean 2N3866- it is still manufactured:
http://www.advancedsemiconductor.com/index_trans.html

Yes, Advanced Semiconductor, plus Central Semiconductor, General
Transistor Corp, Semicoa and Semelab, according to FreeTradeZone.

But all the mainline manufacturers have long-since dropped it, and
mainline distributors don't have it. With the exception of Central
Semi parts from Future, who says "in stock" but requires a minimum
purchase of 500 pieces, or from Mouser, who has 291 pieces in stock
and sells them at $1.50 each. :">) I wonder where Allen got his?

Hmm, has Mouser quietly become a mainline distributor? They've
recently added massive inventory and now hold the best selection
available anywhere for Fairchild Semi (15886 items listed) and
STMicroelectronics (9080 items). Great for power-MOSFET users
who are seeking new advanced-technology parts!

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

 

[Paul Burridge]

As for databooks, it's hard to get them out of manufacturers these
days, so flea markets and eBay auctions have become prime sources.
But ON Semi (formerly Motorola) has their recent databooks online,
http://www.onsemi.com/site/support/literature/list/0,4858,databooks_0,00.html

For example, you can download DL126-D, which is a 1135-page Small-
Signal Transistor Databook, and DL110-D, a 1449-page RF & IF Device
Databook

Rather annoyingly, the latter seems to have been removed. :-(

 

[Winfield Hill]

Paul Burridge wrote...

Rather annoyingly, the latter seems to have been removed. :-(

What? Surely it was there this morning? Ackk, I suppose ON Semi
has gone on the discontinued-part routine again, killing their RF
parts this time, and they don't want folks thinking they're still
offering parts in the databook. But what about all the customers
who still need to check on their part's specs? Sheesh!

I'll be happy to send anyone who needs a copy of the 18.9MB file in
my computer, would that help? Of course, it's a bit too big for an
email attachment. :>)

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

 

[Paul Burridge]

What? Surely it was there this morning? Ackk, I suppose ON Semi
has gone on the discontinued-part routine again, killing their RF
parts this time, and they don't want folks thinking they're still
offering parts in the databook. But what about all the customers
who still need to check on their part's specs? Sheesh!

I'll be happy to send anyone who needs a copy of the 18.9MB file in
my computer, would that help? Of course, it's a bit too big for an
email attachment. :>)

Thanks. Is it possible you could upload it to a wesite so that others
can d/load it at their convenience?

 

[Winfield Hill]

Paul Burridge wrote...

Thanks. Is it possible you could upload it to a wesite so that others
can d/load it at their convenience?

Only if you ask nicely. :>) I'll see what I can do.

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

 

[Winfield Hill]

Winfield Hill wrote...

Paul Burridge wrote...

Only if you ask nicely. :>) I'll see what I can do.

OK, you can download Motorola / ON Semiconductor's 1449-page
RF Transistor databook here, http://web.newsguy.com/WinHill/

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

 

[Paul Burridge]

Paul Burridge wrote...

Only if you ask nicely. :>) I'll see what I can do.

Okay. "Pretty please with sugar on it - can you please make the RF
data available to us plebs."

 

[R.Legg]

OK, you can download Motorola / ON Semiconductor's 1449-page
RF Transistor databook here, http://web.newsguy.com/WinHill/

Back-up location, is DL110-D rev 13 (2002) with 9MB file size, from
Motorola Japan (in English).

http://www.mot.co.jp/SPS/html/lit/pdf/DL110.pdf

RL

 

[legg]

Back-up location, is DL110-D rev 13 (2002) with 9MB file size, from
Motorola Japan (in English).

http://www.mot.co.jp/SPS/html/lit/pdf/DL110.pdf

It is also only 688 pages long ????

Get Paul/Win's version, if you have the patience or bandwidth, while
you can.

RL

 

[Paul Burridge]

It is also only 688 pages long ????

Get Paul/Win's version, if you have the patience or bandwidth, while
you can.

I grabbed one last night. Went to bed at midnight and left the
computer to get on with it.
Win looks very dignified at his bench, doesn't he? I wish I had that
much hair left. :-(

 

[Winfield Hill]

legg wrote...

It is also only 688 pages long ????

Get Paul/Win's version, if you have the patience or bandwidth,
while you can.

Get them both. The long one is DL110-D rev 12, dated 01/02/01,
and has more older data sheets. It'd be nice to get even older
versions as .pdf files, hopefully containing some of Motorola's
classic RF-transistor data sheets. These books are filled with
CATV amplifiers, 900MHz cell-phone amps, 2GHz 3G-cell-amps etc.

The older book has more interesting items, such as the MC145193
PLL frequency-synthesizer, which is discontinued. Both books
have some other PLL parts, such their venerable MC145170, and
the MC51515x family. The new book is missing the MCH MCK12140
phase frequency-detector, and the rest of the MC12xxx and 13xxx
stuff. And the MC12095 prescaler, the MC12147 oscillator and
more cool stuff like that, even though one can still find these
parts in the distribution chain. R.I.P.
---

Aha! Poking around Motorola US I found DL110/D rev 14 (2/2003),
http://e-www.motorola.com/files/rf_if/doc/data_lib/DL110.pdf
It has 882 pages but has grown to 20.4 Mbytes.

Get all three!

Also get DL209 filled with 109 pages of CATV distribution amps,
http://e-www.motorola.com/files/rf_if/doc/data_lib/DL209.pdf
and DL200, the Sensors Device Data Book, 670 pages and 6.9MB,
http://e-www.motorola.com/files/sensors/doc/data_lib/DL200.pdf

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

 

[budgie]

Winfield Hill wrote...

OK, you can download Motorola / ON Semiconductor's 1449-page
RF Transistor databook here, http://web.newsguy.com/WinHill/

Thanks,
- Win

Thanks for that, d/l-ed it here.

Interestingly, I looked up three consecutive devices and found a
common error in the data provided. Has me beat, as these are
long-in-the-tooth components and one would have expected Motorola to
have debugged the data sheets by now. The only dateline I could
locate was 2001 in Chapter 11.

MC12026A/B - p4.2-4
MC12038A - p4.2-9
MC12052A - p4.2-13
Toggle frequency (sine wave input) ft
Min 0.1 typ 1.4 max 1.1 (GHz)

Am I missing something?

 

[R.Legg]

Toggle frequency (sine wave input) ft

Min 0.1 typ 1.4 max 1.1 (GHz)

Am I missing something?

Typical performance vs guaranteed performance.

Don't toggle with sine below 100mHz or above 1100mHz, for rated
performance, even if everything looks ok at 1400MHz or 60MHz.

RL

 

[budgie]

Typical performance vs guaranteed performance.

Don't toggle with sine below 100mHz or above 1100mHz, for rated
performance, even if everything looks ok at 1400MHz or 60MHz.

(Checks date ...)

Nope, don't believe that for a moment. Look at the operating
envelope.

 

[R.Legg]

(Checks date ...)

Nope, don't believe that for a moment. Look at the operating
envelope.

Again, the envelope is labelled 'typical', not worst-case or guaranteed.

A spec is a spec.

RL