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Discussion in 'Home Power and Microgeneration' started by Harbin Osteen, Aug 23, 2006.

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  1. daestrom

    daestrom Guest

    You know, if you actually *did* cross-post this to the few relevent
    newsgroups, instead of 'spamming' all of them with separate copies of the
    same identical message, we wouldn't have to keep seeing the 'same' posts
    over and over in so many newsgroups. Newsreaders (even OE) are smart enough
    to recognize that since I didn't want to read about this in the first group,
    a properly cross-posted message would just drop off the other groups.

    Learn about cross-posting and when it *is* appropriate.

    daestrom
     
  2. Vaughn Simon

    Vaughn Simon Guest

    And then please refrain from cross-posting and multiple posting altogether.
    I place cross-posters and multiple posters just slightly above spammers on the
    evolutionary scale.

    Vaughn
     
  3. Daestrom's right. If you are having any kind of problem with cross-posting
    you need a better newsreader. There are many situations where
    cross-posting is absolutely appropriate. If people are cross-posting to
    inappropriate groups, they _are_ spammers.
     
  4. daestrom

    daestrom Guest

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but cross-posting *does* have it's place.
    People that deny cross-posting deny the use of indexes in the back of
    textbooks and the like. But the post should be on-topic for the groups it
    is posted to.

    And as I said before, proper cross-posting would allow news-readers to work
    as they are designed.

    Multiple-posting (what this OP did) is a waste of bandwidth and time.
    Posting the same messsage repeatedly to a lot of different groups defeats
    the features of news-readers 'marking conversation as read' and is just
    annoying.

    daestrom
     
  5. daestrom

    daestrom Guest

    Nonsense. Using X-posting actually *reduces* the annoyance of individuals
    looking for information/assistance. A good news-reader will show an X-post
    to you *once* and then not bother you with the message again when you shift
    to another group.

    As to 'very few situations....', you apparently haven't been around as much
    as you think. A message about nuclear power for example, could very well be
    appropriate to 'alt.energy.nuclear', 'alt.engineering.nuclear', and perhaps
    'sci.energy'. Someone asking about powering their home from non-grid
    sources might post to 'alt.energy.homepower', 'alt.energy.renewable',
    'alt.solar.photovoltaic' and probably some others.

    If they used X-posting, I could read the message once, respond (if I'm so
    inclined) and move on. Multiple-posting forces me to read the same
    subject-line / message several times.

    Maybe your news-reader doesn't respect X-posting and mark the conversation
    in all groups as 'read' when you read it in the first group.

    daestrom
    P.S. But this OP was apparently just trolling for web-hits. Posted the
    same message to many groups, no followups, just a "Hey, look at ME!!!"
     
  6. Vaughn Simon

    Vaughn Simon Guest

    And sorry to bust yours, but I respectfully disagree. In several years on
    the Usenet, well over 99% of the crossposts I have seen are OT trash. We would
    be far better off if there were no such option.

    Vaughn
     
  7. daestrom:
    I did not crosspost, and I believe that this group is a relevant
    newsgroup.
    I believe in self sufficiency, and alternative power, and I believe that
    there are others
    that may find this info useful, or at least thought provoking, I'm sorry you
    think that it is just spam. I don't intend
    to spam any group, but I may post some things that are on the fringe of a
    group, but
    may still have some relevance. I would suggest that you block my address,
    and you
    will not have this problem in the future.

    --

    SeeYaa:) Harbin Osteen KG6URO

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  8. daestrom

    daestrom Guest

    And that is exactly my complaint. You didn't 'crosspost', you
    'multiple-posted' instead. Learn what the difference is and then you'll
    understand why crossposting to *relevant* groups is a *good* thing.

    I'm not saying your project is *not* relevant to alt.energy.homepower,
    merely that by using 'multiple-posting' instead of 'crossposting', you're
    exact same message has popped up in my newsreader multiple times. I only
    need to read it once. Almost any newsreader (even OE) will allow marking a
    message that is crossposted as read the *first* time I read it, so I don't
    have to keep-re-reading it again and again.

    But by 'multiple-posting', newsreaders cannot tell that the message in
    several groups is the exact same thing, so your *multiple-posted* message
    just keeps popping up over, and over, and over, and over, and over again in
    each of the groups you posted.

    If you *had* crossposted, I still would have seen your message, but only
    once. And not have to keep seeing the same subject-line/header downloaded
    in each and every group that you multiple-posted it on.

    Learn the difference, keep it relevant, and good luck.

    daestrom
     
  9. daestrom

    daestrom Guest

    Multiple posting is two different messages, period. Each one will have its
    own separate ID.

    daestrom
     
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