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Discussion in 'Electronic Design' started by cameo, Dec 14, 2012.

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  1. cameo

    cameo Guest

    I wonder what other countries want taxes paid from their citizens living
    and working abroad. It seems to me that the US practice is an exception
    in that regard. Am I wrong with that assumption?
  2. It's probably the only one that taxes non-resident citizens at the
    same rate as residents.

    It wouldn't have much effect on jobs in countries with relatively high
    tax rates (such as most of Europe) where a tax treaty exists, but it
    would affect lucrative ex-pat positions or ex-pat entrepreneurs in
    countries where such earnings are taxed at very low or zero rates (or
    retirement in places where foreign-source income is lightly taxed or

    Best regards,
    Spehro Pefhany
  3. Mark

    Mark Guest

    all this complexity..

    at some point in future the Internet will make national governments

  4. Bill Sloman

    Bill Sloman Guest

    Why ask here? It's a rather technical tax question, and there are
    probably user groups that exist to discuss that kind of question.

    Search with the word "expatriates" in your search string might help
    you find them, though I'm afraid that this may all be a little too
    complicated to the right-wing brain.

    Using "expatriates income tax US" on the search
    machine did thrown up quite a lot of tedious stuff.
  5. Guest

  6. Bill Martin

    Bill Martin Guest

    The Internet? I thought this was the mission of multi-national

  7. Guest

    here the two countries involved would share the loot at what ever is
    highest tax rate of the two countries
    unless I'm out of the country more than the magic 183 days, they I
    pay each country for the period I'm a there, but at a rate calculated
    the whole years income

  8. Arguably the Internet and cellular technology, GPS technology, WiFi
    maps, electronic transaction reporting and processing etc. (once the
    current disruptive phase works its way through) will greatly
    strengthen major governments and large corporations (particularly when
    the two cooperate closely), since it is surely the most effective
    surveillance and data gathering tool ever invented (although the old
    Chinese neighborhood committee technique of using old women would be a
    pretty formidable competitor). Public opinion is easily manipulated
    when you have information and money- so it works just fine in a
    capitalist/fascist more-or-less democratic system.

    How much would you have to pay people to carry a tracking device
    around with them? Many of us do that AND pay handsomely for the

    I think those claiming the technology will be used otherwise are
    ignoring other historical examples of things such as television that
    ended up being used in ways quite different from rosy predictions of
    how they could be used.

    As far as wars go, people behave even more mob-like and lemming-like
    when they can communicate instantaneously, so all you have to do is to
    uncover or create and amplify a suitable outrage and anything can be
    justified. You don't have to shout down the dissenters, the raw tribal
    behavior dictated by human nature will cause the group to do that for
    you (and maybe much worse). I predict a rosy future for the makers of
    all types of weapons.

  9. What was it again that you call a political system with close
    cooperation of government and big business?
  10. Guest

    It's funny how nobody goes to jail any more (if they're big players, I mean). They just get a shakedown which ends up being paid for by the stockholders and/or the public and it's back to business again...
  11. cameo

    cameo Guest

    Actually, what prompted my post was the recent news about the French
    actor Deperdieu's move to Belgium to avoid paying the higher French
    taxes. So, I guess those EU tax treaties do not cover everything.
  12. cameo

    cameo Guest

    Can't blame him. The libertarian streak in me tends to resent the US
    practice of reaching into its citizens' pockets even across the border
    where Uncle Sam has not contributed anything to those earnings.
  13. whit3rd

    whit3rd Guest

    But, diplomatic support of citizens abroad IS a major contribution,
    as is the occasional negotiation at gunpoint. Remember Grenada.
  14. cameo

    cameo Guest

    But other countries also provide that to their citizens without taxing
    them for it.
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