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Discussion in 'Electronic Components' started by GPE, Aug 15, 2007.

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  1. GPE

    GPE Guest

    Hey guys,

    Watch out for seller "goodbuy711" on ebay. He has tons of transistors
    listed at inflated prices. And - if you look carefully, you will see that
    many, many of them are actually counterfeits.

    One example of a counterfeit -- item 220103822371
    Doesn't take rocket science to determine that this cannot possibly be a real
    Motorola part.

    Seems that tons of counterfeit parts are being provided by our 'friends' in
    China. And, surprise, goodbuy711 has his parts being shipped from Hong
    Kong.

    -- Ed
     
  2. John E.

    John E. Guest

    Watch out for seller "goodbuy711" on ebay. He has tons of transistors
    Thanks for the warning.

    How can you tell it's counterfeit?
     
  3. The date code, I think. 0512 = 12th (working) week in 2005, but Motorola
    sold off their semicondutor manufacture, which became ON Semiconductor.
     
  4. I mean, they sold it in 1998 or 1999. No Motorola branded parts made after
    that time.
     
  5. The bat wing doesn't look quite right either.


    Best regards,
    Spehro Pefhany
     
  6. GPE

    GPE Guest

    Exactly. You won't find Motorola transistors made in 2005. The
    counterfeiters are so bent on selling new parts (at horrendous prices!) -
    they don't bother to look when the manufacturer actually made them.
    Previously, he had the same thing with RCA and GE parts -- Nice, new looking
    parts, new date codes.... but neither have been making the sort of part in
    question in years.

    And -- every single one is made in Mexico... the RCA's, the GE's and the
    Motorola's.

    Yet Ebay doesn't care. Somebody's house will burn down, maybe someone will
    get injured...and ebay is complicit.

    -- Ed
     
  7. Eeyore

    Eeyore Guest

    It has the Motorola logo on a part that's date coded 0512. (wk 12, 2005)

    Motorola long ago sold their discretes manufacturing to On Semiconductor. The
    part should marked 'ON' not Motorola.

    Graham
     
  8. Jamie

    Jamie Guest

    When it goes Poof!
     
  9. What else do they need? I had to tell them three times that reporting a
    listing number isn't enough. We need a way to tell them what they should be
    looking for. Even when it's spelled out explicitly, they don't accept a
    picture of a verifiable IMPOSSIBLE component to be meterial evidence!
     
  10. Perhaps someone in the US reading this might be willing to go to the police
    with this? I'm in the UK, they won't take anything from me, I have no say
    in US jurisdiction. It will be far better coming from someone in US
    semicondictor manufacturing anyway, after all. It needs to come from
    someone who can be considered an expert witness.
     
  11. GPE

    GPE Guest

    The FBI does have a computer fraud department specifically for this. I'm
    considering it. They won't go after the seller as he is in Hong Kong. But
    they should go after ebay for selling the parts...
     
  12. The listing claims he's in Canada. Only the parts are in Hong Kong. The
    part on listing 220103822371 appears to be a counterfeit, and several
    people have clear reason to say so. Either the seller is operating via
    Canada in some way, in which case he's reachable under Canadian law, or
    he's misrepresenting himself on eBay in which case eBay are liable foe
    correcting this if the seller won't correct it himself.

    I don't know what the Canadian law is on this, if he was claiming to be in
    the US, he would be reachable the same way that a UK white-collar criminal
    is reachable even if the funny money passes only once, accidentally,
    through any US bank.

    I suggest take it to the FBI if you think they'll have a look at it. It
    definitely looks like bulk fraud, so many US made parts all coming from
    Hong Kong. It is a tad circuitous, no? Likely to raise a curious eyebrow, I
    think, if nothing else.
     
  13. Sure, that might work, defence of rights to a logo alone is a big enough
    issue. Motorola are big enough to take on Apple if they'd infringed, let
    alone eBay.

    eBay aren't directly culpable, but I have at least posted written proof
    here that they wilfully turn a blind eye no matter how succinctly and
    clearly they are told what they should be investigating.

    That alone might make some more powerful organisation feel a need to start
    to apply pressure of their own. But they won't unless somkeone here close
    to them tells them about this.
     
  14. Chris Jones

    Chris Jones Guest

    I bet if it were a pair of shoes with a Nike logo on them (but in a style
    never made by Nike), or a watch that said Rolex, but that was of a style
    never made by Rolex, then it would be down just like that.

    Perhaps someone at Motorola could complain, since Motorola still own the
    trademark and would probably disagree with people just printing it on
    whatever they like.

    Regardless of what Ebay are willing to do, the true owners of the Motorola
    trade make could take legal action against the seller, and almost certainly
    also against Ebay for knowingly assisting the illegal activity.

    Chris
     
  15. Circuitous? Most likely some dude/ette in Richmond Hill (a heavily
    Chinese suburb of Toronto) is selling stuff that one of his/her
    relatives in Hong Kong is mailing off. It's really quite
    straightforward and logical, aside from the counterfeit aspect (which
    the seller may or may not be aware of).

    Caveat emptor.

    eBay is reluctant to take complaints from non parties to a transaction
    seriously, at least in part, because it's common on eBay for
    competitors to file false complaints to try to get auctions taken
    down.


    Best regards,
    Spehro Pefhany
     
  16. True, but a lot of unused US made parts ending up for sale in China is a
    little odd. They'd probably have a higher value in Chinese manufacturing
    to raise the value for sales. Most of China is busting a gut shipping raw
    stuff IN, including scrap metal from across the world, not shipping it out
    in the original form to the places it came from. The seller might not have
    known about this specific counterfeit, but probably does now, so hopefully
    those parts might stop appearing.
    Only up to a point. Once stuff starts to fail in an incendiary display that
    kind of waiver cuts no ice at all, and the buck gets passed forcibly right
    back up the chain.
    That's true, but citing specific evidence or impossible date codes on a
    phot of a part isn't exactly open to 'interpretaion'. It either is, or is
    not a fake. If it can be verified as an impossible code then it doesn't
    matter who says it to them. The fact that it does just means someone with
    serious clout is going to have to tell them again until it sticks.
     
  17. Have you not noticed the guy from Hong Kong who's always trying to
    offer grey market/surplus parts here?

    If prices are enough higher here than there, it makes sense.


    Best regards,
    Spehro Pefhany
     
  18. As it always would, but the quantities are low. Most of the Chinese output
    to the west in raw parts is more in the form of a promise, like those
    Google returns that swamp a page with useless numbers and nothing else.

    There are savvy dealers who buy modest bulk end of line stuff when
    designers see it flagged as imminently obsolete and stop buying. The price
    falls at this point. Then it rises later as spares are wanted for repair of
    existing equipment and the original source dries up. That's just good
    sense, taking advantage of an opportunity like that.

    It's not the same though if you suddenly see clear evidence of faking, or
    of a larger number of parts than the original stockists had remaining at
    the time they were discontinued. Which means those best able to handle the
    counterfeit problem are those who made and supplied the originals. No-one
    else has the ability to account for the original flow of parts, so no-one
    else is in a better position to establish where and when there is a
    problem.

    If the original makers decide to turn their backs on good parts and stop
    making them, or even bothering to do basic inventory counts and keep
    records of past sales, they only have themselves to blame if they find they
    can't identify a counterfeit problem.
     
  19. Eeyore

    Eeyore Guest

    In all probability that simply means the seller in Hong Kong lied when setting
    up the account.

    Attempts to communicate with ebay tend to be frustrated by their use of bots to
    answer emails. I doubt very many are ever read by a human.

    Graham
     
  20. Eeyore

    Eeyore Guest

    Unfortunately, Motorola no longer have any interest in discretes so simply may
    not be interested. It's probably more damaging to ON but they don't have the
    rights to the name I presume so there's no offence they can complain about.

    Graham
     
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