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In sci.physics Arny Krueger said:
As I've shown, many air defense sites had heavily-used public roads running
right through them!

Since Nike sites in the US were normally deployed around major cities,
it would have been rather hard to place one far from public areas.

The Union Lake, Michigan site was surrounded by a Little League ball
field, a public golf course, and housing developments.

If we had had to fire, the boosters would have come down in a housing
tract, but better a Nike booster through your roof than a Soviet
nuclear device.
 
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Michael A. Terrell

Jan 1, 1970
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Mickey530 said:
The US Air Force's air traffic control school was and (assuming they
cleaned up after Katrina) is at Keesler AFB, Biloxi, Mississipi. As
was the radar technician school. I was an Air Traffic Controller in
the Air Force from 1975-1982.


The school was, and still is run by the Army, but the students were
mostly Air Force in '72 & '73 when I maintained the 'Weathervision' and
ETV distribution systems. In fact, the only mess hall at Cairns
Airfield was Air Force, and the refused to allow any Army personnel eat
there. The Air Force barracks were at the airfield, as well. If you do
a little research, you'll discover that installation now has the newest
ATC simulator available.


I was never trained in RADAR work. They were short handed at one
point due to people on leave, and several sick techs, so they 'borrowed'
me for a few days. I was paired with a condescending jerk who was busy
trying to tell me that I couldn't possibly grasp the complexities of a
RADAR system. While he was talking, I had already found the problem,
and made the repairs. At every worksite, I found the problem, while he
was dragging in his cart full of tools and test equipment. He was very
pissed, but his boss tried several times to have me transferred to his
section. He laughed when he asked about my training, and I told him
that a RADAR system was a stripped down TV system, and that I had read
and studied some WWII aircraft RADAR while in high school. He was
stunned to learn that I had tested out of all military electronics
training, and had only been in the military for six months. Does anyone
else remember the 15R and 15E tubes used in those WWII RADAR systems?

At no time did we use "live" radar. It was all simulation. Control
tower training (as opposed to radar training) consisted of students
holding toy airplanes in position as instructed over a ping-pong type
table which had been painted to resemble an airport. Some guys got
pretty good at imitating a cessna's engine noise. ; -)

Further, in both the Air Force and FAA, radar failures were and are
still common.


GEE, the FAA was building their regional office at Ft Rucker while I
was stationed there. It took so long to build their fancy office
building/data center (1000 phone lines) that they had to install their
mainframe computer in an old wooden barracks building. That left the
huge computer room with the raised floor sitting empty. I suggested
they move the ETV studios to the building, and vacate the WWII wood
building they were in. The control room for the computers was bigger
than their current studio.

That was one of the major issues that caused the
controller strike in 1982. We had to then convert to non radar
procedures. which consisted of, among other things, increasing
spacing and having the pilots report "fixes". Airports do not close
because of these failures. Non-Instrument rated pilots do not as a
rule use the ATC system except for radar advisories and controllers
provide this service to VFR pilots on a time permitting basis.


The airfield was used to train pilots on their way to Vietnam, and
working with the air traffic controllers was a big part of their
training. Any failure over 15 minutes in the 'Weathervision' system
would close the school, too. We ar talking about student pilots, not
certified. The only certified pilots were the instructors. Most of the
students left the area as soon as they were qualified pilots.

The
exception is the airspace near large airports and certain other high
traffic areas.


Cairns Airfield has some of the highest ATC traffic of any airfield.
I don't think you understand how busy the place was, and is.

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
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Bill

Jan 1, 1970
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Spob said:
Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass
britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with
some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for
everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking.

Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously
aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components?
It would have to be able to do it on a pretty localized basis without
causing damage to the person aiming the gizmo or innocent bystanders
or their car's electronics. Whether it would fry any additional
components of said target punk's car isn't of great concern.

Call it The Rapper Zapper.

Just wonderin'.
Actually, there's a site (in German) that describes someone's theory as to
how that might be done:

http://www.heise.de/ct/Redaktion/cm/Thumpmobile_Zapper.html

Use Babelfish to translate it (sort of)
http://babelfish.altavista.com/
 
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Arny Krueger

Jan 1, 1970
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Since Nike sites in the US were normally deployed around
major cities, it would have been rather hard to place one
far from public areas.

The Union Lake, Michigan site was surrounded by a Little
League ball field, a public golf course, and housing
developments.

If we had had to fire, the boosters would have come down
in a housing tract, but better a Nike booster through
your roof than a Soviet nuclear device.

Agreed. We had a Hawk site in Miami where you could overlook a subdivision
from several radar towers. Eventually the Army sold the site's plot of land
to the developers, and this was the first of the batteries in our battalion
to simply disappear.
 
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brett_zell

Jan 1, 1970
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Spob said:
Sitting at a gas station as some backwards baseball cap and saggass
britches wearing kid parks in the fire zone in front of the store with
some fukdamuhfukinniggahbeyotch crap blasting out of his truck for
everyone's entertainment, got me to thinking.

Would it be possible to build a gizmo that could be surreptitiously
aimed at the offending stereo system to fry some crucial components?
It would have to be able to do it on a pretty localized basis without
causing damage to the person aiming the gizmo or innocent bystanders
or their car's electronics. Whether it would fry any additional
components of said target punk's car isn't of great concern.

Call it The Rapper Zapper.

Just wonderin'.

:)

Its possible by taking apart a microwave oven and use the generator to
fry the electronics.
You have to be VERY CAREFULL with the radiations and you better know
what you are doing.
It works perfectly against radars for example.
 
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Tobiah

Jan 1, 1970
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Hold up a $100 bill and call something unintelligible to
the driver at a level just below the music volume. You'll
experience and immediate reduction in the volume of the
music.
 
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Tom Potter

Jan 1, 1970
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John Larkin said:
I'd like to have a short-range imaging radar, sort of like my Flir
handheld thermal imager, as a sort of super stud finder.

Imagine a pc board covered with etched patch antennas, one or more
step-recovery-diode impulse generators, and a lot of sampling
receivers. Run it at several MHz, do a lot of averaging and signal
processing, and reconstruct the image. Maybe use Wii type
accelerometers so as the array is moved around, additional signal
paths can be crunched in to enhance resolution without blurring. The
microwave side of the hardware would be dirt cheap, and the signal
processing would have a high engineering cost but would also be cheap
in production.

Take a look at McEwan's patents for an idea of how the hardware would
work. He was mostly looking at stuff like auto collision detection,
1-dimensional ranging, but imaging is quite feasible if you dump
enough DSP onto the problem.

Firemen could use this for smoke penetration, or cops could spot bad
guys in the next room, and I could spot cats under beds without having
to crawl around on the floor.

John

Note that John's idea for a hand-held RADAR
differs from mine.

The one I propose would use Google Maps
to correlate with the RADAR data, and to display
where the user was, and the moving targets about him,

whereas John's RADAR would be provide a two,
and perhaps three dimensional picture of the
targets in its' range.

John's RADAR would use techniques like those
used in medical imaging I suppose.

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Tom Potter

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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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Hold up a $100 bill and call something unintelligible to
the driver at a level just below the music volume. You'll
experience and immediate reduction in the volume of the
music.

What, it's not bad enough they're going around disturbing
the peace, you want to PAY them for it?????!?!?!?!????

And top-posting is wrong too.

Thanks,
Rich
 
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Peter Larsen

Jan 1, 1970
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Where does it say, "then give them the bill after the volume
is turned down".

Metal fatigue will have the car auto-disintegrate anyway ...
Maybe top posting is a function of being able to keep track
of whats going on

That's a novel concept ... nah, it can¨t be done. And it is
blind-friendly to post like I do it here, ie. with comments in the
context of what is commented on, and stuff that is not commented on
snipped away.


Kind regards

Peter Larsen
 
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Donald

Jan 1, 1970
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Rich said:
What, it's not bad enough they're going around disturbing
the peace, you want to PAY them for it?????!?!?!?!????

Where does it say, "then give them the bill after the volume is turned
down".
And top-posting is wrong too.


Hmmm, you did not seem to have trouble understanding the out-of-order
answer.

Maybe top posting is a function of being able to keep track of whats
going on and less then having any respondent follow "net rules"
 
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UltimatePatriot

Jan 1, 1970
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What, it's not bad enough they're going around disturbing
the peace, you want to PAY them for it?????!?!?!?!????

And top-posting is wrong too.

Thanks,
Rich
So is not trimming as you did, dipshit.

He doesn't pay ANYTHING, idiot. One holds up the $100 bill because
that will ALWAYS get the attention of an inconsiderate retard with his
boom boom car blasting out "I'm a drug dealer". You get the stereo
turned down, then walk away laughing.
 
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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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Maybe top posting is a function of being able to keep track of whats
going on and less then having any respondent follow "net rules"

NO. It's a matter of respect.

You disrespect us by flouting convention. And it's not a "rule", it's
simply the way civilized people behave on USENET.
http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html

Thanks,
Rich
 
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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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So is not trimming as you did, dipshit.

He doesn't pay ANYTHING, idiot. One holds up the $100 bill because
that will ALWAYS get the attention of an inconsiderate retard with his
boom boom car blasting out "I'm a drug dealer". You get the stereo
turned down, then walk away laughing.

Yeah, and get shot in the back.

Good Luck!
Rich
 
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jango2

Jan 1, 1970
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Your ideas are too hard core and militant.
How about this, a high powered IR sender that transmits power off
codes for all the manufacturers and models serially ?
Jango
 
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William Sommerwerck

Jan 1, 1970
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How about a high-powered IR sender that transmits power-
off codes for all the manufacturers and models serially?

This device exists for TVs.
 
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