Cost of a Traffic Signal ??

[Jim Thompson]

Technically I think they're supposed to be allowed to use
a regular traffic lane - but they have to be registerd and
roadworthy and all that. Just some nitwit on a bike probably
needs at least a love-tap. ):>

Cheers!
Rich

Jim Thompson wrote: [snip]

Don't you get extra points for running over bicyclists riding down the
middle of a traffic lane ?

...Jim Thompson

I think a license, expense in proportion to auto's ought to do the
trick. I'll start plying my legislators ;-)

...Jim Thompson

 

[Rich Grise]

Yeah - cars with big sails. Or a big wind-up key.

Anybody doing research on artificial muscles? I read
somewhere that if a car could be made to use fuel
as efficiently ((pound*miles)/calories) that it'd get
on the order of 900 MPG.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[DarkMatter]

Just some nitwit on a bike probably
needs at least a love-tap. ):>

You need a lead tap. So the bugs don't have to dig for the blood

It is retarded fucks like you that cause the problems, and the
retarded mentalities. Give me your address, so I can come over and
**** you up. You need Tae Kwan Leap, lesson number one.

 

[DarkMatter]

Yeah - cars with big sails. Or a big wind-up key.

Anybody doing research on artificial muscles? I read
somewhere that if a car could be made to use fuel
as efficiently ((pound*miles)/calories) that it'd get
on the order of 900 MPG.

You ain't real bright, are ya, boy?

A moped is a considerably smaller mass than any car, and it only
gets a couple hundred MPG at a maxed out speed of 30MPH.

You, and your mindset is in the stone age. You mentioned pounds
miles... calories, but you seem to have ZERO grasp of what WORK costs
to get done, or you would know that your figure is ludicrous.

 

[Don Klipstein]

Yeah - cars with big sails. Or a big wind-up key.

Anybody doing research on artificial muscles? I read
somewhere that if a car could be made to use fuel
as efficiently ((pound*miles)/calories) that it'd get
on the order of 900 MPG.

No, both the human body and cars are in the general ballpark of being
25% efficient at converting chemical energy to mechanical energy. A
well-trained cyclist's body may be a little more efficient - maybe in the
ballpark of diesel cars (roughly 30% efficient).

Somehow I figure roughly 30 calories (actually kilocalories) to pedal a
mile. A car that gets 30 MPG consumes something like 1100 of these
calories per mile for almost 100 times as much weight. The car gets more
pound-miles (moving steadily) per calorie by having less air resistance
per pound than cyclists have.

- Don Klipstein ([email protected])

 

[Rich Grise]

Please, DM, do us the courtesy of reading the entire question
as written before snapping your steel-trap mind shut.

A moped utilizes the calories available in gasoline almost
as poorly as a car.

You body uses the calories that it gets from food.

There's obviously less energy in a loaf of bread than in
a quart of gasoline; that's why you have to be ~50 times
more effecient at extracting it.

I'd have to look it up, if I had to look it up, but there's
a really really simple formula for figuring out how many
calories of energy are in a gallon of gasoline. Or in a loaf
of bread.

I saw Mr. Wizard burn some crackers once, and somehow figure
out by the heat released how many calories were "in" the
crackers. I don't recall how he measured the heat output.

And he used pure O2 - it burned through the tin can the
crackers were in.

Mr. Wizard is Cool!

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

12143 Rivera Rd., Whittier, CA 90606.

How will I know you?

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Mjolinor]

You have made a major logical blunder here. I drive AND ride bikes. I pay
taxes for fuel AND like to use my bicycle. Therefore, I have a right to
complain if the conditions on the roads I help pay for are not suitable for
bicycle use.
You have assumed that bike riders do not pay the taxes that support the
roads. Guess again.

It would be nice if life were like that but I suspect your logic is a tad
flawed.

Then again maybe not. I sometimes buy a train ticket to go places on a
train, maybe this allows me to put my own engine on the lines and zoom up
and down as I am obviously paying for the lines upkeep, no that doesn't seem
to work either.

 

[DarkMatter]

12143 Rivera Rd., Whittier, CA 90606.

How will I know you?

Thanks,
Rich

A boot to the head would do a top posting, usenet retard like you
any good.

 

[DarkMatter]

It would be nice if life were like that but I suspect your logic is a tad
flawed.

Then again maybe not. I sometimes buy a train ticket to go places on a
train, maybe this allows me to put my own engine on the lines and zoom up
and down as I am obviously paying for the lines upkeep, no that doesn't seem
to work either.

BIG difference between taxpayer appropriated roadways, and Private
railroads, which nearly ALL of them are in this country.

Our tax dollars DO generate the revenues to build the roads, as is
the law.

Private rail fares serve as profit for the PRIVATE firm that runs
the railway.

ALL rubber tired, wheeled vehicles are allowed on all public
roadways. Vehicular status is a term given to describe the legal,
"road worthy" "vehicle" Bicycles have this status in most states, and
have for several decades.

No, dipshit, you cannot put your train engine on their private
track.


When you pass a cyclist, MOVE THE **** OVER. STEER CLEAR, NOT NEAR!

No, you do NOT just SQUEEZE by, as that is actually SLEEZING by on
the oath you took when you signed for your license.

 

[Sir Charles W. Shults III]

It would be nice if life were like that but I suspect your logic is a tad
flawed.

Then again maybe not. I sometimes buy a train ticket to go places on a
train, maybe this allows me to put my own engine on the lines and zoom up
and down as I am obviously paying for the lines upkeep, no that doesn't seem
to work either.

You are still wrong- the railways are private, and when you buy a ticket,
you are only buying a ride. The roads and highways are public, and your taxes
pay for their construction and upkeep.
You are mixing apples and oranges.

Cheers!

Chip Shults
My robotics, space and CGI web page - http://home.cfl.rr.com/aichip

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

ALL rubber tired, wheeled vehicles are allowed on all public
roadways. Vehicular status is a term given to describe the legal,
"road worthy" "vehicle" Bicycles have this status in most states, and
have for several decades.

Your laws allow bicycles and mopeds on controlled-access highways?


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

 

[DarkMatter]

Your laws allow bicycles and mopeds on controlled-access highways?

Yes. There are several highways that have a bike lane. But only
those are allowed. Many are not. All else is surface streets only.

 

[Mjolinor]

You are still wrong- the railways are private,

That depends where you live

 

[Mark Fergerson]

Could you be any more retarded?

Quite right, that was a close one. I don't wish to
approach your level of retardation by emulating your
behaviors and attitudes.

Good for you, dipshit. I have been riding since '71, and for the
last ten years, full time. It STILL changes nothing, and has ZERO
bearing on the way things are. You experience doesn't mean squat,
when your fucking aptitude lacks as badly as does yours.

My "aptitude"? I'll assume you're so enraged that you
misspelled "attitude".

My attitudes don't need to change anything. Your idea of
"how things are" is obviously set in stone, unaffected by
objective reality.

My experiences mean everything if they help keep me
alive, which they have.

**** you. Covering MY OWN ASS entails me putting a stop to retarded
drivers on the street. Getting a clue now, BOY?

Get some clues yourself. People do stupid things and if
you aren't prepared for them, you may be killed. You may be
in the right, but still dead. I prefer to be right and alive.

Speaking of clues and preparedness, I'll bet you still
use pneumatic tubes.

Now, lower your blood pressure and try to rationally
describe your plan for removing poor drivers. Does it
involve shotguns, or legislation?

Or do you plan to whine them away?

**** you. A retard like YOU has to be that way.

Only if I plan on surviving, which I do. If you _wish_ to
ignore others' stupidity, and _wish_ yourself safe, go right
ahead.

Better than being fucking retarded about it, as are you.

So, your definition of "fucking retarded" includes such
things as taking active measures to avoid suffering the
consequences of others' errors? Great, count me in.

Yes. Quite responsibly, and safely.




More so. More than even they themselves treat others when they
drive.

You consistently claim high moral ground with ease.

They are. So are you. Your attitude proves that.




Shut the **** up, you retarded jackoff.

I have more maturity in my baby fingertip than a lame **** like you
has in your entire body.

Right. Your choice of language and your refusal to look
after your own safety in the absence of universal police
attention coupled with legislation tailored to your wants
demonstrate that indisputably.

Perhaps you'd be happier living in one of the wonderful
European nanny states.

Whatever. You keep fuming about stupid people as you ride
and I'll calmly keep my eyes open for them instead.

Mark L. Fergerson

 

[Mark Jones]

In news:[email protected] (Don Klipstein):

No, both the human body and cars are in the general ballpark of being
25% efficient at converting chemical energy to mechanical energy. A
well-trained cyclist's body may be a little more efficient - maybe in
the ballpark of diesel cars (roughly 30% efficient).

Somehow I figure roughly 30 calories (actually kilocalories) to pedal
a mile. A car that gets 30 MPG consumes something like 1100 of these
calories per mile for almost 100 times as much weight. The car gets
more pound-miles (moving steadily) per calorie by having less air
resistance per pound than cyclists have.

- Don Klipstein ([email protected])

I would have to agree that bicyling steadily, without strenuous excercise,
does not consume large amounts of calories and the 30 calories per mile idea
sounds about right. If we eat a typical candybar, that's 250 calories, which
equates to about 8.3 miles if you wanted to "burn it off."

Same with treadmills, once I saw one that had an electronic calorometer. I
jogged my ass off for 15 minutes and only burned like 50 calories... how
dissapointing.

 

[mark hahn]

-- snip --

Unfortunately for bike riders the automobile drivers DO own the road. The
fuel
tax they pay build and maintain the roads. Bike riders do not contribute to
the
construction and maintainance of the roads yet they are allowed the same
access to the roads. And some still complain!

-- snip --

Hmmm... this is starting to get a bit nasty, the usual flaming between
automobilists and bicyclists.

I would like to point though that at least in the US, automobilists do
not actually pay for all the costs associated with using the roads.
Fuel taxes (criminally low in the US IMHO) only pay for between 35%
and 80% of the direct costs of roads. By direct costs I mean repairs,
new construction, etc. The rest comes from other local, state, and
federal taxes. Even people who never drive pay for "part" of the road.
I give a varying range of percentages, because it depends on who's
statistics you believe. I have never come across a report that claims
fuel taxes pay for 100% of all road construction and repair.

If you include hidden costs like: police and emergency services (some
states have laws preventing fuel taxes being used to pay for police);
the effects of air pollution (autos are still the major source of air
pollution in the US); the environmental costs of paving an ever
growing percentage of urban and suburban areas (up to 50% of some
urban areas are paved); and number of pedestrians and cyclists killed
by autos; autos don't pay their fair share.

So please don't tell me to get my bicycle off "your" road. It is "our"
road. We had better learn to share.

Mark Hahn

 

[Jim Thompson]

On 9 Dec 2003 09:24:21 -0800, [email protected] (mark hahn) wrote:

[snip]

I would like to point though that at least in the US, automobilists do
not actually pay for all the costs associated with using the roads.
Fuel taxes (criminally low in the US IMHO) [snip]
Mark Hahn

"Criminally low"?? Why do you think that?

...Jim Thompson

 

[Mjolinor]

On 9 Dec 2003 09:24:21 -0800, [email protected] (mark hahn) wrote:

[snip]

I would like to point though that at least in the US, automobilists do
not actually pay for all the costs associated with using the roads.
Fuel taxes (criminally low in the US IMHO) [snip]
Mark Hahn

"Criminally low"?? Why do you think that?

'cos we have to pay $6 per gallon and it's not fair, (stamps feet and
shouts)

 

[Baphomet]

On 9 Dec 2003 09:24:21 -0800, [email protected] (mark hahn) wrote:

[snip]

I would like to point though that at least in the US, automobilists do
not actually pay for all the costs associated with using the roads.
Fuel taxes (criminally low in the US IMHO) [snip]
Mark Hahn

"Criminally low"?? Why do you think that?

...Jim Thompson

I think Mark is feeling the European's pain ;-)