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Discussion in 'Electronic Repair' started by klem kedidelhopper, Oct 10, 2012.

  1. chuck

    chuck Guest


    I hope you have better luck than I did when I tried digitising my
    Sony Beta tape library 5 years ago. Everyone of them had lost
    coercitivity and all that was left was snow. They were kept in a cool
    dark low humidity environment. The one Memorex tape I bought (we were
    told they were crap back in the day) played perfectly. Unfortunately,
    the 200 plus Sony tapes were full of irreplaceable videos. Chuck
     
  2. I really do appreciate all the different advice but as I've said
    before I don't care about quality. I just want to watch my shows
    without commercials using the equipment that I presently have. If all
    my VCR's should one day just fail then I probably wouldn't replace
    them. I might look into computer recording. Until then I don't want to
    spend any additional money.

    I do agree somewhat with Jurb about whats been taking place in this
    country though. A prime example and one that really pisses me off is
    this digital TV system we've had crammed down out throats. I happen to
    be one of the millions of fringe area recipients of this bargain who
    have to practically jump through their asses to squeeze even a channel
    or two out of this. And there were millions more much worse off than
    me who had to cave into cable or satellite just in order to get
    anything. Someone got greased big time and the rest of us who who
    don't give a crap about HD or can't afford to buy a new TV set got
    fucked. Tell me how that was fair?

    Well that's my rant for the evening. On another note I made a half
    track audio tape of myself and some friends using a Wollensak tape
    recorder and the ceramic mike that came with it 46 years ago. I
    recently found the tape and played it on my Ampex 2 track stereo
    machine and it sounded as crisp and clear as the day it was recorded.
    Why does some tape whether audio or video seem to break down and is
    crap while other still seems able to go the last mile? Lenny
     
  3. Guest

    " I just want to watch my shows
    without commercials using the equipment that I presently have."

    I can dig that. Fortunately for me I don't even watch TV. I'd bet that you only watch a couple of shows anyway. If I get the urge I would prefer to watch old eps of Gunsmoke and things like that, or Get Smart, Lost In Space. What I would really like is Star Trek but CBS is being very stingy with those. When you can't even get ONE full episode on youtube you know they are actively policing it.

    I guess I can't bitch too much except for the fact that they should be in public domain. I'm one of those people who would love the RIAA to come knocking because at the trial I will bring in TONS of media. "Go through this and figure out wehat I owe becasue I already paid for this material", by their own words it is the material - not the media. My scratched up records would come in handy.

    Unfortunately for what you want you are going to need set top boxe(s). I think with a splitter and one box set to 4 and the other to 3 you can have multiple event timer record, at least two anyway. You could luck out and haveanother show on one of the channels already coming through one of the boxes.
    possible to obtain one that way? "

    Like smuggling nylons behind the iron curtain or something ? Or dealing drugs, smuggling ? I dunno, in this country they send out a SWAT team for people who sell raw milk. No shit. They come and tear up the farmhouse, confiscate everything but your clothes, like any money, computers, firearms. Then it's hell getting it back even if acqitted. I think I'd rather deal drugs.

    The other problem is that for my purposes I would need an NTSC input, so the only options available would be Japan, Canada and a couple of South American countries.
    coercitivity and all that was left was snow."

    I find it hard to believe that that just happened to all of them. Perhaps asmall EMP ? This occurs whenever lightning strikes. If it was a few of them yes. All of them ? I hate to ask after the fact but, are you sure the VCRdidn't have bad heads ? I mean did you try them in another, or maybe make a test recording on one to see that they were actually erased ? I played a beta tape last year or so ago that was recorded back in about 1990. When I used to actually use the beta I ran across some tapes I got from someone that were in beta 1 and while my machine wouldn't play them, you could tell the signal was still there.

    J
     
  4. chuck

    chuck Guest


    No, I don't think EMP is the answer since the Memorex tape was in the
    same location. I used to be a consumer electronics technician when
    Beta was around and I keep my deck in good shape. Pre-recorded Beta
    tapes from the same era, also kept in the same location, playback
    fine. I was at a major electronics retailer's headquarters during
    that time period and we got a considerable discount on purchases so
    most of the Sony tapes were bought in bulk from them. Chuck
     
  5. the most durable VHS tapes I recall were from Kodak. I have no idea who
    actually made them though, I doubt it was really them.
     
  6. there's still the PITA factor of using a computer as something else.

    my VCR takes up 2U in a rack. I don't need a remote for it, or to even
    have a TV connected to use it. You just hit some buttons and it does
    stuff.

    I just tried dragging an old computer to my front room to connect to the
    projector. I'm still not done as I need to make some sort of PS/2
    extension cable for the keyboard, I've not even thought about the mouse
    yet, and I'll probably have to setup a monitor for the thing as well. I
    got a DVI to HDMI converer cable, which possibly just blew up my HDMI
    switcher box, but I won't know until that gets replaced. Where the hell
    should I stash a keyboard and mouse connected to a computer across the
    room anywas?

    It's big hassle, even more obnoxious than having to flip over a laserdisc
    in the middle of a movie in the dark.
     
  7. Guest

    "the most durable VHS tapes I recall were from Kodak"

    Yes, as much as I hate to admit it. I used to always use and tout Maxell, high end Sony and TDK. However if you think about it, bet that most magneticrecording tape of any kind in that era was made either by TDK or BASF. Remember BASF ? Tween the two of them they ruled most of the tape field and a few other things.

    However they of course made different formulations for different customers,who were then subrogated to the results.

    I forgot to mention that I personally had the best results with BASF. With helical scanning, it seems there is another factor, the physical durabilityof the media. BASF was tough and if you put a T120 in a machine not quite aligned right it would be affected less than a TDK equivalent for example. However in initial recording quality the TDK was slightly better.

    The is my observation and it is based on experience, in my case I usually used Sony betas although I did have one Sanyo, and Panasonic VHSes. I had one NEC VHS deck which I still actually have, it's actually branded a Harmon Kardon but it is an NEC. Top of the line, equivalent to an N-965U. This thing has the peculiar ability to record not only in hifi stereo, but linear Dolby stereo as well at the same time. I just had to have it. You could feedthe NTSC off the tuner with MTS to the linear tracks and have pretty decent stereo and record totally different material on the hifi tracks. I did this a couple of times with football games back when I was into it. It was nice on Monday night games because ABC didn't **** with the mix, we got the crowd noise in the back speakers and the radio announcer in the front. Watching on a five foot Advent we never heard a TV commercial. Sawum, didn't hearum.

    Anyway, all we need now is to preserve this old stuff because eventually itwill be gone.

    J
     
  8. wrote: >>"the most durable VHS tapes I recall were from
    Kodak" > > Yes, as much as I hate to admit it. I used to always use and
    tout Maxell, high end Sony and TDK. However if you think about it, bet
    that most magnetic recording tape of any kind in that era was made either
    by TDK or BASF. Remember BASF ? Tween the two of them they ruled most of
    the tape field and a few other things.
    customers, who were then subrogated to the results.

    I wish I had beta deck to see how the L750 tapes of Dr Who are doing.
    With helical scanning, it seems there is another factor, the physical
    durability of the media. BASF was tough and if you put a T120 in a machine
    not quite aligned right it would be affected less than a TDK equivalent
    for example. However in initial recording quality the TDK was slightly
    better.

    Abot 10 years ago, when I bought my last case of VHS tapes the only option
    was Fuji, and somehow they're still making (or there's some infinite
    supply in a warehouse somewhere of these BGR-120 "broadcast master grade"
    or something equally japanese marketing speak-ish.

    Somehow most of my miniDV tapes from the same time, about 10 years ago can
    still be played. some have dropouts, but if you rewind them and play onece
    more, they work again. Those things are so thin, stretchable and flimsy
    it's amazing they even worked the first time. I had a weird problem with
    using different brands of tapes. If I used panasonic tapes, then one type
    of sony tape they're all get eaten. If after cleaning the deck, I only
    used the sony tapes it was ok. The rumor was there was a different
    lubricant on the tape that wasn't compatible, somehow. I have no idea if
    this was true, but I was able to repeat it over and over again.
     
  9. Mark Zenier

    Mark Zenier Guest


    Sony equipment may be good stuff, but Sony media, unless the top of
    the line, is crap, subcontracted out to the lowest bidder.

    I've had:
    Sony VHS tape that was too wide so that the tape guides in the VCR
    put a wrinkle on the edge.

    A cake box spindle of Sony CD-R blanks with 2/3rds of them that
    wouldn't burn, on a Sony burner.

    Sony 3.5 inch 1.44 Meg diskettes that had a five percent failure rate
    for a clean format. (Even the no-name Chinese diskettes from Office
    Max had less failures).


    Mark Zenier
    Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)
     
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