Common Emitter Amplifier with 2N3904

[Bill Sloman]

On 12 Jan 2004 07:47:13 -0800, [email protected] (Bill Slowman)
wrote:


GFY, Slowman. I need no lectures from the likes of you. All you ever
share with us here is your own peculiar brand of far-left politics,
latterly shown up in that long-running and totally irrelevant,
off-topic thread about gun control in Australia. As if anyone gives a
shit about that on an electronics discussion group!

Dear me Paul. You live in the U.K., where I was a card-carrying member
of the Labour Party. If you think that that represents
far-left-politics, you have got to be to the right of Oswald Mosely.
Our American members have a rather different perspective - they've
been trained in primary school to panic when they hear the word
socialism, and few ever recover enough to develop a rational approach
to politics.

As far as irrelevant off-topic threads go, one that has generated 156
postings would seem to have struck a nerve with a number of the
regular posters on this user-group. If you want to know who gives a
shit you can look down the list of names. You appear at least eight
times.

And while I do make the occasional off-topic post, I do also share my
electronic knowledge - not with you, admittedly, for much the same
reason as I've given up posting on sci.electronics.basics.

 

[Paul Burridge]

Dear me Paul. You live in the U.K., where I was a card-carrying member
of the Labour Party.

That figures. No doubt in the dark days of the late 70s when you and
your cohorts so nearly destroyed this country.

If you think that that represents
far-left-politics, you have got to be to the right of Oswald Mosely.

Yeah. Like I'm really intolerant because I objected to the dead
remaining unburied and garbage piling up waste-deep in the street;
Marxists with the power of life and death calling wild-cat strikes at
the drop of a hat, mass-picketing attacking businesses that didn't
even have a labour dispute; the Pound crashing around the world,
inflation at 27% and the stock market at rock bottom. What a great
contribution "socialism" made to this country. It ushered in 11 years
of Thatcher and mass unemployment that could so easily have been
avoided had you and your lot not caused the export of hundreds of
thousands of manufacturing jobs abroad to countries where investors
were reasonably confident about getting the work they wanted actually
*done*.
I am *not* going to get involved in yet another lengthy off-topic
discussion with you, Bill. I see where you're coming from and our
differences are irreconcilable. I'm just relieved that you're
inflicting your particular poisonous credo on some other poor country
these days.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Bill Sloman wrote:
\

And while I do make the occasional off-topic post, I do also share my
electronic knowledge - not with you, admittedly, for much the same
reason as I've given up posting on sci.electronics.basics.

------

Right- these people like the pseudo-intellectual Burridge and
superficial Ian Bell who advocate abuse of people they consider "odd"-
is best handled by starving the public information pool. From now on- my
posts go the OPs return address- no more public contributions or discussion.

 

[John Larkin]

Right- these people like the pseudo-intellectual Burridge and
superficial Ian Bell who advocate abuse of people they consider "odd"-
is best handled by starving the public information pool. From now on- my
posts go the OPs return address- no more public contributions or discussion.

Promise?

John

 

[Bill Sloman]

That figures. No doubt in the dark days of the late 70s when you and
your cohorts so nearly destroyed this country.

Wrong. I joined after Kinnock started making the party electable.

Yeah. Like I'm really intolerant because I objected to the dead
remaining unburied and garbage piling up waste-deep in the street;
Marxists with the power of life and death calling wild-cat strikes at
the drop of a hat, mass-picketing attacking businesses that didn't
even have a labour dispute;

The technical term is secondary picketing, and you've obviously never
been involved in negotiating with or for a trade union if you believe
in "Marxists with the power of life and death" who are strictly
confined to right-wing nightmares.

the Pound crashing around the world,
inflation at 27% and the stock market at rock bottom.

That was Ted Heath, demonstrating how not to improve industrial
relations. He got slung out for gross incompetence after producing the
27% inflation, and the sotck market collapse, and Wilson and Callagan
had the fun of undoing the damage he'd done. It is a pity that Wilson
didn't have the guts to follow through with "In Place of Strife" -
Callagan paid the price for that failure and let in Thatcher to make a
right mess of the U.K. economy over the next 14 years (and if you
think she didn't make a mess of it, compare the U.K. economic growth
rate over that period with that of its trading partners - or just read
Will Hutton's "The State We're In").

What a great contribution "socialism" made to this country.
It ushered in 11 years of Thatcher and mass unemployment that could so
easily have been avoided had you and your lot not caused the export of
hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs abroad to countries where
investors were reasonably confident about getting the work they wanted
actually *done*.

Thatcher's demented economic ideas (which you seem to share) did make
a nasty mess of the British economy, while the more socialist French
and Germans did much better.

It wasn't socialism that made caused the export of hundreds of
thousands of manufacturing jobs, but Thatcher's mindless devotion to
unilateral deregulation and free trade. I was working for ITT-Creed in
1980-82, when Thatcher's deregulation of the telecoms market prompted
ITT to move the manufacture of Telex machines for the U.K. market over
to Germany - I got out of ITT-Creed shortly before the Brighton plant
was shut down.

I am *not* going to get involved in yet another lengthy off-topic
discussion with you, Bill.

Wise move, considering how far out of touch you are with reality.

I see where you're coming from and our
differences are irreconcilable. I'm just relieved that you're
inflicting your particular poisonous credo on some other poor country
these days.

While your poisonous credo is being peddled by an unelectable bunch of
idiots in the U.K. ....

 

[papercut]

Fred Bloggs may be rude and hostile, but he isn't ignorant or
unhelpful.

Mr, Sloman, I visit here occasionally, am a hobbyist, have gleaned
much good info from many of the regulars here, including yourself, and
have observed that Fred Bloggs has not contributed anything helpful to
this particular thread (a topic which I find interesting).

Rude, hostile, without useful contributions...

Please don't feel obliged to defend such a person.

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Bill Sloman <[email protected]>

It is a pity that Wilson
didn't have the guts to follow through with "In Place of Strife" -

Barbara Castle paid the penalty for being 30 years too early. And we
don't yet know if TB has finally succeeded in killing the dinosaur.

 

[Bill Sloman]

Dr, Sloman, I visit here occasionally, am a hobbyist, have gleaned
much good info from many of the regulars here, including yourself, and
have observed that Fred Bloggs has not contributed anything helpful to
this particular thread (a topic which I find interesting).

Rude, hostile, without useful contributions...

Please don't feel obliged to defend such a person.

I've been here a lot longer than you have, long enough to be aware
that Fred Bloggs does make useful contributions from time to time. As
far as I am concerned, as long as he does that, his rudeness and
hostility are tolerable ideosyncracies.

 

[Bill Sloman]

Anyone with half a brain can see that, dear lady. Once again I
apologize for the ignorance and bigotry you've had to suffer from some
of the no-account time-wasters on this group.
If person A tries to explain something to person B and the message
doesn't get through, these dopes instantly jump to the conclusion
that the recipient must be mentally deficient. The possibility that
they *themselves* might simply not be articulate enough in the English
language to adequately express themselves never seems to occur to
them! I don't doubt your intelligence and genuosity; these lame-brains
obviously do. You've just been terribly unlucky in the straws you've
drawn for this particular question. Infinitely more chaff than wheat,
I'm sorry to say. :-(

While Paul Burridge wastes time and bandwidth illustrating his
capacity to produce beautifully articulated chaff without a single
grain of useful wheat. Very English.

 

[Paul Burridge]

Promise?

You'll believe anything.
Allow me to translate for you:
"My adopted name on this newsgroup has become associated with rancour,
dischord, ignorance, falsehood and bigotry. No one who's read my
postings for any length of time takes the slightest bit of notice of
them any more. But I can't face the prospect of disappearing off into
obscurity as I know I really *ought* to in all decency, so I'm going
to start posting under another false name and hope that nobody notices
it's me, despite the fact that I'll continue to be gratuitously
insulting towards people and causing trouble just as I always have
done on Usenet. Hopefully it'll give me another few months of sick fun
before anyone rumbles me."
HTH.

 

[Paul Burridge]

That was Ted Heath, demonstrating how not to improve industrial
relations. He got slung out for gross incompetence after producing the
27% inflation

Bullshit. That rate was solely Labour's doing and Heath had his arse
kicked out long *before* that 27% rate was reached in 1976; the same
year in which Labour's Dennis Healey had to get back off his plane at
Heathrow to deal with the ensuing Sterling crisis. It's also worth
noting that by doing so he exacerbated it. But when did a Labour
chancellor ever get anything right?
Heath was slung out long before for letting the unions have it all
their own way, selling us out to EUrope and for generally being too
'pink.'

Thatcher's demented economic ideas (which you seem to share) did make
a nasty mess of the British economy, while the more socialist French
and Germans did much better.

They did better because they didn't have to play catch-up as we did,
thanks to you and your buddies wrecking this place in the 1970s. The
unions in continental europe weren't riddled with Trotskyists; they
were far more moderate and reasonable and didn't set their countries
back 10-15yrs like your lot did here.

 

[Paul Burridge]

I've been here a lot longer than you have, long enough to be aware
that Fred Bloggs does make useful contributions from time to time. As
far as I am concerned, as long as he does that, his rudeness and
hostility are tolerable ideosyncracies.

By their friends shall you know them...

 

[Paul Burridge]

While Paul Burridge wastes time and bandwidth illustrating his
capacity to produce beautifully articulated chaff without a single
grain of useful wheat. Very English.

Yes, Bill. I really must try to devote more time to discussing
politics and gun control on this group.

 

[Lily Bepant]

-Stuff deleted-

unique combination of (Ic,Vce) satisfying the external circuit I-V
requirements subject to the transistor Ic-Vce behavior for a fixed value
of base current Ib.

Thanks for the information.

You have been told time and again that your question is inadequate- but
you refuse to address that- because you are a troll. You do in fact know
a little about setting up DC bias points, and seeing NG responses
somewhat less articulate than the pabulum textbook you are using makes
you feel superior.

I didn't construct that question. It was what that is asked to me. For
the last time I'm repeating that electronics is NOT my major. (It's
Information Technology)
I learned how to set up DC bias points, from helpful people from this
newsgroup and from the real world. In fact it's you trolling this
newsgroup.

To all:
I have started this thread, and I see that it is disturbing REAL
people having REAL topics to discuss about electronics. I don't have
enough knowledge about this topic to give to this people, just take
from them. What I can only give are thanks for the advisories and
apologies for making rude people fire up for a simple question.
Therefore I will not post here again.

For the last time, thanks for the helpful replies and sorry for the
disturbance.

 

[Paul Burridge]

To all:
I have started this thread, and I see that it is disturbing REAL
people having REAL topics to discuss about electronics. I don't have
enough knowledge about this topic to give to this people, just take
from them. What I can only give are thanks for the advisories and
apologies for making rude people fire up for a simple question.
Therefore I will not post here again.

I'm sorry you feel so sorely abused by 'Bloggs' that you decline to
post here any longer. I guess most normal people whould feel the same
way so it's entirely understandable. No doubt Bloggs' sick mind will
be on a high for the rest of today, knowing he's wrecked a perfectly
acceptable thread for reasons only he knows.

For the last time, thanks for the helpful replies and sorry for the
disturbance.

The disturbance has certainly not been of *your* making.

 

[John Larkin]

On 14 Jan 2004 11:17:31 -0800, [email protected] (Lily Bepant) wrote:

The disturbance has certainly not been of *your* making.

Occasionally a woman will post to s.e.d., and invariably one or
another of the macho males here will go out of their way to make her
unwelcome.

John

 

[John Crighton]

On 13 Jan 2004 05:13:07 -0800, [email protected] (Bill Sloman)
wrote:

Our American members have a rather different perspective - they've
been trained in primary school to panic when they hear the word
socialism, and few ever recover enough to develop a rational approach
to politics.

Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Hello Bill, Paul and the Group,
I am not going to get involved in personal slanging matches
between individuals, but your comment above, Bill, about
Americans "been trained in primary school to panic when
they hear the word socialism" I thought that was good,
very funny! It certainly sounds true to me when I read
the posts from some Americans on this newsgroups.
Where is my wee mate John Dyson?

Anyway, just to add a bit of contrast to the American
primary school upbringing comment, have a wee read at this.



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These socialist commandments were taught to children who
attended socialist sunday schools, emphasising to children
that socialism was the secular embodiment of Christianity.


The Socialist Commandments
-----------------------------------------------

1. Love your school-fellows, who will be your fellow-workmen
in life.

2. Love learning, which is the food of the mind; be as grateful
to your teacher as to your parents.

3. Make every day holy by good and useful deeds and kindly actions.

4. Honour good men, be courteous to all men, bow down to none.

5. Do not hate or speak evil of anyone; do not be revengeful,
but stand up for your rights, and resist oppression.

6. Do not be cowardly; be a friend to the weak, and love justice.

7. Remember that all good things of the earth are produced by
labour, whoever enjoys them without working for them is
stealing the bread of the workers.

8. Observe and think in order to discover the truth; do not believe
what is contrary to reason, and never deceive yourself or others.

9. Do not think that he who loves his own country must hate
other nations, or wish for war, which is a remnant of barbarism.

10. Look forward to the day when all men will be free citizens of
one fatherland, and live together as brothers in peace and
righteousness.



The socialist sunday school movement arose out of the London
dock strike of 1892 when food kitchens and educational classes
were set up for the children of striking dockers. It was at these
classes that children were taught the causes and results of poverty
for working people.
By 1912 there were over 200 socialist sunday schools organised
throughout Britain.

http://sites.scran.ac.uk/redclyde/redclyde/rc079.htm
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Bill, Paul,
I thought that was an interesting bit of history that might help
explain some of the attitude differences we sometimes see on
these groups, particularly between some Americans and people
in other parts of the world.

Number 9. is spot on, very relevant to recent events, Bush and
Iraq and written in 1892.
Number 10. Yes, I can see that would frighten most Americans.
As a staunch card carrying trade unionist, I too am a bit wary of
number 10's one fatherland, but the rest of the commandments
look OK to me.
Over 100 years ago, Australia was a world leader in the trade
union movement, first country to have an 8 hour working day.
The richest and most powerful union in Australia today is the
AMA, The doctors union, The Australian Medical Association.
Ooops, I can feel a rant coming on. I better get off.

Regards,
John Crighton
Sydney

 

[Roger Gt]

On 13 Jan 2004 05:13:07 -0800, [email protected] (Bill Sloman)
wrote:

<snip>
Hello Bill, Paul and the Group,
I am not going to get involved in personal slanging matches
between individuals, but your comment above, Bill, about
Americans "been trained in primary school to panic when
they hear the word socialism" I thought that was good,
very funny! It certainly sounds true to me when I read
the posts from some Americans on this newsgroups.
Where is my wee mate John Dyson?

Anyway, just to add a bit of contrast to the American
primary school upbringing comment, have a wee read at this.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------
These socialist commandments were taught to children who
attended socialist Sunday schools, emphasizing to children
that socialism was the secular embodiment of Christianity.

The Socialist Commandments
-----------------------------------------------

1. Love your school-fellows, who will be your fellow-workmen
in life.

2. Love learning, which is the food of the mind; be as grateful
to your teacher as to your parents.

3. Make every day holy by good and useful deeds and kindly actions.

4. Honour good men, be courteous to all men, bow down to none.

5. Do not hate or speak evil of anyone; do not be revengeful,
but stand up for your rights, and resist oppression.

6. Do not be cowardly; be a friend to the weak, and love justice.

7. Remember that all good things of the earth are produced by
labour, whoever enjoys them without working for them is
stealing the bread of the workers.

8. Observe and think in order to discover the truth; do not believe
what is contrary to reason, and never deceive yourself or others.

9. Do not think that he who loves his own country must hate
other nations, or wish for war, which is a remnant of barbarism.

10. Look forward to the day when all men will be free citizens of
one fatherland, and live together as brothers in peace and
righteousness.

The socialist sunday school movement arose out of the London
dock strike of 1892 when food kitchens and educational classes
were set up for the children of striking dockers. It was at these
classes that children were taught the causes and results of poverty
for working people.
By 1912 there were over 200 socialist sunday schools organised
throughout Britain.

http://sites.scran.ac.uk/redclyde/redclyde/rc079.htm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

---------------------------------

In their early days they encountered much opposition from local authorities
and other official bodies, as many Conservative and Liberal politicians
argued that socialist sunday schools were subversive and were poisoning the
minds of young people with political and anti-religious doctrines and
teachings.
They had THAT right!

I always wondered what led to the decline of England as a leader, this
explains one of the causes.

Bill, Paul,
I thought that was an interesting bit of history that might help
explain some of the attitude differences we sometimes see on
these groups, particularly between some Americans and people
in other parts of the world.

Number 9. is spot on, very relevant to recent events, Bush and
Iraq and written in 1892.

True, with a sociopath like Sadam in power, conflict was inevitable!

Number 10. Yes, I can see that would frighten most Americans.
As a staunch card carrying trade unionist, I too am a bit wary of
number 10's one fatherland, but the rest of the commandments
look OK to me.

Read Thomas Paine about the source of this set of "The Socialist
Commandments" in "The Age of Reason" Available here:
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/thomas_paine/age_of_reason/index.shtml

The rights of citizens are supreme, government functions by the consent of
the whole of the populace by election of representatives. To suggest
otherwise is to deign reality! To oppose individual freedom is to commit an
un-pardonable offence against the human race! To suggest a "Fatherland"
presupposes slavery is preferable to freedom!

Over 100 years ago, Australia was a world leader in the trade
union movement, first country to have an 8 hour working day.
The richest and most powerful union in Australia today is the
AMA, The doctors union, The Australian Medical Association.
Ooops, I can feel a rant coming on. I better get off.

Regards,
John Crighton
Sydney

I imagine you support the current UN thinking that the UN is the world
government and all are subservient to it's wishes?

I'm out of here, no intelligent discussion possible!

 

[John Woodgate]

To suggest a "Fatherland"
presupposes slavery is preferable to freedom!

Britain is a Motherland. But then so is Russia. What is the USA, an
'Attorneyland'? (;-)

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Mr, Sloman, I visit here occasionally, am a hobbyist, have gleaned
much good info from many of the regulars here, including yourself, and
have observed that Fred Bloggs has not contributed anything helpful to
this particular thread (a topic which I find interesting).

Then apparently you can't read or comprehend or research very
thoroughly. This is not a good sign for a student, probably part time
unclassified status, posting from USC. Apparently the OP was working
under the misconception that load lines were constraint conditions for a
linear convex programming program of the operations research variety. I
didn't see anyone else straightening that out- certainly not you anyway.
You're probably a casualty of candid evaluation of your net worth- not
by me- so you hate honest dialogue. People like you create wasteland, go
do it somewhere else.

Rude, hostile, without useful contributions...

Yawn....