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Dave Hinz

Jan 1, 1970
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Dave Hinz wrote:

Not all arabs want to kill us. Well, not most of us anyway. You may
be an acception ;)

FFS. Are you having a serious discussion, or not.
And don't you feel guilty about taking my money for
doing nothing? Maybe if we stopped paying people not to grow things
the prices of those things would come down.

Actually, paying to keep land out of production keeps prices up, yes,
but only enough to make farming marginally affordable. The demand is
only for productuction for a certain amount of acreage. Add a new
product, a new outlet, and you can start paying me for soybeans, instead
of paying me not to grow them.
I wasn't talking about milage. I was talking about lack of power. You
were the one that brought up mileage as if it made everything ok. The
thread is still there for anyone that wants to look.

This lack of power you go on and on and on and on about is based on
old information.
I need look no further than the acceleration times in a road test to
know that I don't want one.

I don't care what you want. You can buy whatever the hell you want,
isn't that wonderful? I'd like the _choice_ to buy a hybrid diesel.
vehicle.

Changing the CG does not lighten the pig.

What percentage of the weight do you pretend is due to choice of
fuel type? 5% maybe? BFD.
Never said I wanted one of those either. You seem to be stuck on this
"econo" thing.

No, on the "choice" thing, y'see.
You better stick to buzz words. The rotational inertia keeps the crank
rotating during the compression stroke. Having a higher compression
ratio, the diesel needs more rotational inertia to carry it through.
Adding mass near the axis of rotation is just adding dead weight and
would be foolish.

You were talking about the crank. being bigger and therefore having
more rotational mass. I am pointing out that there's a big honking flywheel
hanging on the end of the crank that more than makes up for it.

Admission of ignorance (by evading tis issue) noted.
I think I'd be in more need of boots around you.

Another evasion.
I never wrote anything about hydrogen in this thread. If you are going
to rant at least stay on topic ;)

It's called 'building on the point'.
Why would I want to foot the bill to provide that option to others?


Your tax dollars are being spent for penty of things without real
benefit. Even if you choose to avoid a technology, it doesn't
mean you wouldn't benefit from it being available.

Or are you one of these "My kids are done with school, so I shouldn't
pay a school tax" type of people?


You don't like diesel, that's _fine_. Really, it is. But you're spouting
bullshit when you justify your reasons _for_ that dislike.
 
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John P. Bengi

Jan 1, 1970
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They are just full of sound insulation. The engine is still a loose bucket
of bolts.
 
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Anthony Matonak

Jan 1, 1970
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John P. Bengi wrote:
.... said:
They are just full of sound insulation. The engine is still a loose bucket
of bolts.

If an engine makes a lot of noise inside a car and no one hears it,
does it matter?

Anthony
 
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Richard W.

Jan 1, 1970
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Anthony Matonak said:
John P. Bengi wrote:


If an engine makes a lot of noise inside a car and no one hears it,
does it matter?

Anthony

I had a 1980 Olds diesel. It was a little slow off the line, but most people
who drove it didn't know it was a diesel until they read the label on the
dash or fuel tank. It got 25 mpg in the city or on the freeway. The gas
version got 17 in the city and about 21 mpg on the freeway. I would like
another diesel car of the same size.
My ford pickup has a 352 C.I. engine in it. That's roughly about 5.7
liters. The ford is a 3/4 ton with 2 wheel drive. My friend has a Dodge 1
ton 4 X 4. The engine is 5.9 L turboed. He gets between 18 & 19 mpg loaded
or empty. The Ford gets 13.5 mpg empty. I haven't checked when it's loaded.
We went met at an auction together. He bought big 4 foot square boxes of
machine parts. 4 of them if I remember correctly. I didn't buy anything. We
loaded his truck with these boxes of iron and steel parts. I decided to go
over to his house to help him unload, since he didn't have a fork lift. It
had to be unloaded by hand. Any way he took off from a light a jumped way
ahead of me. I was empty and had to try to keep up with him. He has power he
doesn't know what to do with and he is getting around 5 mpg better than I
am.
Bet you can guess who wants a diesel pickup. Only I want a 2 wheel drive
3/4 ton because they get even better mileage than the 4 wheel drive version
of the same thing.

Richard W.
 
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Dave Hinz

Jan 1, 1970
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That's about as serious as I could get when I read your, "the arabs
want to kill us." It made me laugh, so I made a joke back.

Our opinion of the rift between the two cultures apparently differs.
There are a lot of things that could be made more profitable by
creating an artificial shortage.

Whatcha gonna eat when all the farmers give up because they can't
afford to farm? And, even if it's not about survival, why not give
hard working American farmers the money, rather than anyone in any
foreign country?
I wasn't going on about it here. You brought it up again when you
accused me of switching the topic, when it was you that had done so.
You keep saying that my statements are based on old information. If
that is so, please provide the new information, in the form of
something more substantial than "GO DRIVE A TDI".

I can show you graphs and charts, but you claim they're sluggish,
and they're not. So it's clear that you are basing your opinion
on incorrect information.
Such a persuasive argument ;) You have the choice to buy whatever you
want. You just don't like how much it will cost, and want others to
foot the bill to make it more affordable.

I can think of much worse things to spend money researching. Oh, by
the way? Research money? Guess what. It doesn't just dissapear, it
pays techies to do techie jobs. Again, keeping the money here rather
than giving it to the arabs.
Like I have said before, the fact that you don't care doesn't mean that
nobody else does.

Yes, but you raise it as a reason to not like it, and I'm pointing out
that it's inconsequential. Your interior trim weighs more, I bet. Did
you buy a car without a headliner, too?
If you have a hard time remembering what was written, it is all still
there for anyone to see.

Your output isn't worth reading once, let alone twice. Thanks though.
In http://tinyurl.com/5yc3a I wrote "The crankshaft must be stronger
and the flywheel heavier."

Now perhaps you would like to tell why you don't think a bigger
flywheel would make a diesel less responsive. Something better than,
"5% maybe? BFD."

Yes, it's a mass. It needs to be made to rotate. So what? You still
haven't driven one, so your claims of sluggishness are based on vapor
and bullshit.
Looks more like you mistakenly thought I had said something promoting
hydrogen. You've got to stop relying on that poor memory of yours ;)

How about you keep your disagreement to what I'm actually saying, rather
than inventing things out of your own mind to say I'm doing wrong?

Enjoy your engine, whatever you choose to drive. Some of us will be
working on improving matters, with or without your blessing. Hopefully,
though, with your tax money.
 
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News

Jan 1, 1970
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Dave Hinz said:
Our opinion of the rift between the two cultures apparently differs.


Whatcha gonna eat when all the farmers give up because they can't
afford to farm?

You import the food cheaper from elsewhere. Farming is mollycoddled. Other
industries are left to die, yet farming gets subsidies to survive. Farmers
always whine wherever they are in the world.
 
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Gordon Richmond

Jan 1, 1970
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And your point is?

How fast do you need to go? How much do you want to pay?

I've lived happily with a Diesel Suburban for the past 5 years. I can
get a speeding ticket in any jurisdiction in north america. It just
takes me longer to get to that point. And I don't get to go to filling
stations as often as I would with a gas pot under the hood.

Fact is, I would never have purchased a Suburban, had I not found a
Diesel. It replaced a 4 cylinder Datsun 4X4 truck, and the added cost
of fuel was trivial when compared to the greater comfort, and greater
inside heated cargo space. I used both vehicles concurrently for a few
months, and I estimate the difference in cost of fuel for a given trip
was less than 10%

Gordon Richmond

Curiously enough, the Diesel Jetta has exactly 4 times the horsepower
of the original VW Beetle. And, even more curiously, millions of
buyers thought that those were adequate. Not flashy in the power
department, but adequate.
 
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News

Jan 1, 1970
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Gordon Richmond said:
And your point is?

How fast do you need to go? How much do you want to pay?

I've lived happily with a Diesel Suburban for the past 5 years. I can
get a speeding ticket in any jurisdiction in north america. It just
takes me longer to get to that point. And I don't get to go to filling
stations as often as I would with a gas pot under the hood.

Fact is, I would never have purchased a Suburban, had I not found a
Diesel. It replaced a 4 cylinder Datsun 4X4 truck, and the added cost
of fuel was trivial when compared to the greater comfort, and greater
inside heated cargo space. I used both vehicles concurrently for a few
months, and I estimate the difference in cost of fuel for a given trip
was less than 10%

Gordon Richmond

Curiously enough, the Diesel Jetta has exactly 4 times the horsepower
of the original VW Beetle. And, even more curiously, millions of
buyers thought that those were adequate. Not flashy in the power
department, but adequate.

My car does 112 mph. It is a standard mid sized (Euro sizes) family car.
35 - 40 years ago, the only cars that did those speeds were Jaguars,
Ferraris and the likes. Many make a case that cars are too fast, and they
do have a point.
..
 
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Derek Broughton

Jan 1, 1970
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Dave said:
I haven't asked for graphs and charts, just simple comparisons like
this. From April 2005 Road&Track. http://tinyurl.com/5fq89

Volkswagen Golf
1.8-liter turbocharged dohc 20V inline-4, 180 bhp
1.9-liter turbocharged sohc direct-injection diesel inline-4, 100 bhp.

A little on the old side, but fine...
In a March 2004 test of the TDI Jetta, Car and Driver wrote, "At the
track, the TDI trails the slowest gasoline Jettas by more than a
second, but with copious low-end torque routed through a responsive
five-speed manumatic transmission, it tends to feel quicker than the
11.3-second 0-to-60-mph time suggests."

So you think you need better than an 11.3 second 0-60mph time? I doubt I've
ever, in my life, accelerated at that speed.
A quote from Car and Driver (Sept. 2004) in a road test of the VW Jetta
with the diesel above. "The VW gives you a little of that Peterbilt
clatter ...

It's a _very_ little. The sort of thing that auto-magazine testers notice.
You get to slog around in the ever-widening oil slick at the U-serve,
too, same as real truckers, and you'll notice that clingy petro smell
every time you get behind the wheel."

I don't know where the heck these guys test their cars, but in Canada
there's hardly a gas station to be found that doesn't sell diesel. The
"petro" smell is exactly what you get when you pump your own whether it's
gas or diesel. At the only two stations within 30km of my home, I wouldn't
have to pump.
0-to-60 in 11.3 seconds = slug

= economical. I know darn well that my current vehicle (a Hyundai Elantra)
doesn't get that acceleration _or_ fuel economy.
 
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Dave Hinz

Jan 1, 1970
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So you think you need better than an 11.3 second 0-60mph time? I doubt I've
ever, in my life, accelerated at that speed.

Yup. Hardly a "dramatic difference".
It's a _very_ little. The sort of thing that auto-magazine testers notice.
I don't know where the heck these guys test their cars, but in Canada
there's hardly a gas station to be found that doesn't sell diesel. The
"petro" smell is exactly what you get when you pump your own whether it's
gas or diesel. At the only two stations within 30km of my home, I wouldn't
have to pump.

Yeah, he seems obsessed about the smell of diesel. I mean, it's
not like gasoline has any smell, right?
= economical. I know darn well that my current vehicle (a Hyundai Elantra)
doesn't get that acceleration _or_ fuel economy.

Ssssh, don't bring facts into the conversatino, he doesn't like that.
 
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Derek Broughton

Jan 1, 1970
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What got me started in this thread was Derek Broughton's statement,
"Diesels have their place - which could be as a
replacement for _every_ four-stroke gasoline engine."

I said "could". I didn't say they needed to be mandatory, but...
While diesels may have "adequate" power for most situations, some
people desire something more than just "adequate". The extra weight
and lack of power when compared to a gasoline engine make it a poor
choice for high performance cars.

You're posting in entirely the wrong place if you think that that's an
argument. I'd be all for banning "performance" cars outright. I certainly
can't accept the idea that diesels couldn't replace gasoline engines across
the board, purely because it would ruin some NASCAR fan's enjoyment.
Diesels do have their place, but as Derek said about hybrids, "They're
not the be-all and end-all for transportation."

No argument, there. However, from everything I've learned about hybrids &
diesels, I'd be surprised if using a diesel powerplant in every hybrid
wasn't a smarter idea than gasoline.
 
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John P. Bengi

Jan 1, 1970
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Seems reasonable to me since deisels are made for performance with heavy
constant loads. What better usage for them than that?
 
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News

Jan 1, 1970
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Things were a bit different here in the US.
After WWII most of the manufacturers came
out with ohv V8's that could top 120 mph. By the
mid 50's they were around 150,

Not quite. The world's first 150 mph car was the E type Jaguar in 1961. US
car were fast in a straight line with appalling sail boat type of handling.
My first car was a 340 Barracuda that looked like this.

http://www.allpar.com/images/MyCuda.gif

My first was one these:
http://www.minicooper.org/images/tigger minipark_s.JPG

It went around corners like it was on rails. It would make mincemeat of
your Yank Tank around a city.

I graduated to this but in silver:
http://www.dyna.co.za/benz/Mercedes_Benz_68_280SL_White.jpg

I now have this. Toyota Avensis; made in the UK, designed in France. Similar
in profile to a BMW 3 series, but far more reliable. Take a look:
http://www.carsource.co.uk/photos/toav9801.jpg
As for those that say cars are too fast,
they have been around as long
as there have been cars. If they wear a
hat their point wont show ;)

Road safety experts still say that speed is still the major cause of road
deaths. Why does a car need top go 150 mph? If you want that sort of speed
you can go to the local race track and drive a real fast car in proper
conditions and proper tuition.
 
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OFFICIAL RAM BLUEBOOK VALUATION

Jan 1, 1970
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Morien said:
Now it's the big public as opposed to the public. Anyway you slice it,
demand for the Prius exceeds its availability and with production
ramping up that just means you are flat wrong.

My sick son Bob thinks he's an "expert" in
everything. He's now planning to "invent" something in the "home energy"
field, but keep in mind he's 53 years old and has NEVER HAD A PAYING JOB.
NEVER!


Here's a summary of the sad history of my son Bob.

Unfortunately, Bob can NEVER admit he's been beaten, or he's wrong. He
spent 12 years in college trying to write a thesis that was totally without
any scientific merit. When Drexel got tired of his bleating about not
giving him a degree, he sued them. And even after he was proven IN COURT to
have been wrong, he insisted on appealing to the Supreme Court in
Washington.

And to this day, still believes that THEY are wrong, too!

So you're not going to change him, god knows his mother tried and it killed
her.



Dr. Sylvan Morein, DDS

PROVEN PUBLISHED FACTS about my Son, Robert Morein
--

Bob Morein History
--
http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/ledgerenquirer/news/4853918.htm
Doctoral student takes intellectual property case to Supreme Court
By L. STUART DITZEN
Philadelphia Inquirer

PHILADELPHIA -Even the professors who dismissed him from a doctoral program
at Drexel University agreed that Robert Morein was uncommonly smart.

They apparently didn't realize that he was uncommonly stubborn too - so much
so that he would mount a court fight all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court
to challenge his dismissal.

The Supremes have already rejected this appeal, btw.
"It's a personality trait I have - I'm a tenacious guy," said Morein, a
pleasantly eccentric man regarded by friends as an inventive genius. "And we
do come to a larger issue here."

An "inventive genius" that has never invented anything. And hardly
"pleasantly" eccentric.
A five-year legal battle between this unusual ex-student and one of
Philadelphia's premier educational institutions has gone largely unnoticed
by the media and the public.

Because no one gives a shit about a 50 year old loser.
But it has been the subject of much attention in academia.

Drexel says it dismissed Morein in 1995 because he failed, after eight
years, to complete a thesis required for a doctorate in electrical and
computer engineering.

Not to mention the 12 years it took him to get thru high school!
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Morein, 50, of Dresher, Pa., contends that he was dismissed only after his
thesis adviser "appropriated" an innovative idea Morein had developed in a
rarefied area of thought called "estimation theory" and arranged to have it
patented.

A contention rejected by three courts. From a 50 YEAR OLD that has
done NOTHING PRODUCTIVE with his life.
In February 2000, Philadelphia Common Pleas Court Judge Esther R. Sylvester
ruled that Morein's adviser indeed had taken his idea.

An idea that was worth nothing, because it didn't work. Just like
Robert Morein, who has never worked a day in his life.
Sylvester held that Morein had been unjustly dismissed and she ordered
Drexel to reinstate him or refund his tuition.

Funnily enough, Drexel AGREED to reinstate Morein, who rejected the
offer because he knew he was and IS a failed loser. Spending daddy's
money to cover up his lack of productivity.
That brought roars of protest from the lions of academia. There is a long
tradition in America of noninterference by the courts in academic decisions.

Backed by every major university in Pennsylvania and organizations
representing thousands of others around the country, Drexel appealed to the
state Superior Court.

The appellate court, by a 2-1 vote, reversed Sylvester in June 2001 and
restored the status quo. Morein was, once again, out at Drexel. And the
time-honored axiom that courts ought to keep their noses out of academic
affairs was reasserted.

The state Supreme Court declined to review the case and, in an ordinary
litigation, that would have been the end of it.

But Morein, in a quixotic gesture that goes steeply against the odds, has
asked the highest court in the land to give him a hearing.

Daddy throws more money down the crapper.
His attorney, Faye Riva Cohen, said the Supreme Court appeal is important
even if it fails because it raises the issue of whether a university has a
right to lay claim to a student's ideas - or intellectual property - without
compensation.

"Any time you are in a Ph.D. program, you are a serf, you are a slave," said
Cohen. Morein "is concerned not only for himself. He feels that what
happened to him is pretty common."

It's called HIGHER EDUCATION, honey. The students aren't in charge,
the UNIVERSITY and PROFESSORS are.

Drexel's attorney, Neil J. Hamburg, called Morein's appeal - and his claim
that his idea was stolen - "preposterous."

"I will eat my shoe if the Supreme Court hears this case," declared Hamburg.
"We're not even going to file a response. He is a brilliant guy, but his
intelligence should be used for the advancement of society rather than
pursuing self-destructive litigation."

No shit sherlock.
The litigation began in 1997, when Morein sued Drexel claiming that a
committee of professors had dumped him after he accused his faculty adviser,
Paul Kalata, of appropriating his idea.

His concept was considered to have potential value for businesses in
minutely measuring the internal functions of machines, industrial processes
and electronic systems.

The field of "estimation theory" is one in which scientists attempt to
calculate what they cannot plainly observe, such as the inside workings of a
nuclear plant or a computer.

My estimation theory? There is NO brain at work inside the head of
Robert Morein, only sawdust.
Prior to Morein's dismissal, Drexel looked into his complaint against Kalata
and concluded that the associate professor had done nothing wrong. Kalata,
through a university lawyer, declined to comment.

At a nonjury trial before Sylvester in 1999, Morein testified that Kalata in
1990 had posed a technical problem for him to study for his thesis. It
related to estimation theory.

Kalata, who did not appear at the trial, said in a 1998 deposition that a
Cherry Hill company for which he was a paid consultant, K-Tron
International, had asked him to develop an alternate estimation method for
it. The company manufactures bulk material feeders and conveyors used in
industrial processes.

Morein testified that, after much study, he experienced "a flash of
inspiration" and came up with a novel mathematical concept to address the
problem Kalata had presented.

Without his knowledge, Morein said, Kalata shared the idea with K-Tron.

K-Tron then applied for a patent, listing Kalata and Morein as co-inventors.

Morein said he agreed "under duress" to the arrangement, but felt "locked
into a highly disadvantageous situation." As a result, he testified, he
became alienated from Kalata.

As events unfolded, Kalata signed over his interest in the patent to K-Tron.
The company never capitalized on the technology and eventually allowed the
patent to lapse. No one made any money from it.

Because it was bogus. Even Kalata was mortified that he was a victim
of this SCAMSTER, Robert Morein.
In 1991, Morein went to the head of Drexel's electrical engineering
department, accused Kalata of appropriating his intellectual property, and
asked for a new faculty adviser.

The staff at Drexel laughed wildly at the ignorance of Robert Morein.
He didn't get one. Instead, a committee of four professors, including
Kalata, was formed to oversee Morein's thesis work.

Four years later, the committee dismissed him, saying he had failed to
complete his thesis.

So Morein fucks up his first couple years, gets new faculty advisers
(a TEAM), and then fucks up again! Brilliant!
Morein claimed that the committee intentionally had undermined him.

Morein makes LOTS of claims that are nonsense. One look thru the
usenet proves it.
Judge Sylvester agreed. In her ruling, Sylvester wrote: "It is this court's
opinion that the defendants were motivated by bad faith and ill will."

So much for political machine judges.
The U.S. Supreme Court receives 7,000 appeals a year and agrees to hear only
about 100 of them.

Hamburg, Drexel's attorney, is betting the high court will reject Morein's
appeal out of hand because its focal point - concerning a student's right to
intellectual property - was not central to the litigation in the
Pennsylvania courts.
Morein said he understands it's a long shot, but he feels he must pursue it.

Failure. Look it up in Websters. You'll see a picture of Robert
Morein. The poster boy for SCAMMING LOSERS.
"I had to seek closure," he said.

Without a doctorate, he said, he has been unable to pursue a career he had
hoped would lead him into research on artificial intelligence.

Who better to tell us about "artificial intelligence".
BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
As it is, Morein lives at home with his father and makes a modest income
from stock investments. He has written a film script that he is trying to
make into a movie. And in the basement of his father's home he is working on
an invention, an industrial pump so powerful it could cut steel with a
bulletlike stream of water.


FAILED STUDENT
FAILED MOVIE MAKER
FAILED SCREENWRITER
FAILED INVESTOR
FAILED DRIVER
FAILED SON
FAILED PARENTS
FAILED INVENTOR
FAILED PLAINTIFF
FAILED HOMOSEXUAL
FAILED HUMAN
FAILED
FAILED
 
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John P. Bengi

Jan 1, 1970
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Do you really think anybody cares you're a nothing asshole?
 
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Me

Jan 1, 1970
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1961.

Only in your dreams. It only took a few seconds to Google up these
sites that show a Chrysler 300 doing 156.387 mph in 1958. Also
mentioned is that Chrysler had electronic fuel injection (made by
Bendix) in 1958.

http://tinyurl.com/ashnz

http://tinyurl.com/8ljgw


Agreed, many US cars of the time were boats. My Cuda was better than
most, but wouldn't have a chance against your Mini in the tight stuff.
I just made it a point not to get into parking lot races ;)

Bruce

I seem to remeber a Fuel Injected Corvette, with Rodchester InJection
coming out as a factory racer back about 1956-58, that did better than
that at Seabring.....

News seems to think that the brits are the worlds endall engineers....
Nothing could be further from the truth....

Me
 
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News

Jan 1, 1970
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News seems to think that the brits
are the worlds endall engineers....
Nothing could be further from the truth....

Do you realise how stupid that comment is? The British basically made the
world you live in, in the systems you use, such as the postal service, the
law, the banking system, etc, and the technology around you from electronic
computers, TV, radio, radar, the world wide web to the steam, Stirling, CI
and jet engines, steel and stainless steel, the light bulb, etc, etc. The
world's first glass curtain wall building? Frank Lloyd Wright? No, in
Liverpool England in 1864. They are the most inventive nation ever in
history. They turned the world upside down in around 150 years. Even today
over 50% of commercial patents are issued from the UK. Why did Bill Gates
want to pour an obscene amount of money on a R&D facility
in....Cambridge.England? What's wrong with Seattle?

You should read more before writing. It is so much better.
 
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News

Jan 1, 1970
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From one stupid extreme to the other. Sigh...

Lets see what he says....
The postal system was developed
by Benjamin Franklin in Philadelphia,
though at the time Pennsylvania was
a British colony.

Before that in England. Also the world's first adhesive stamps.
The first known code of law was written
in Babylon by Hammurabi thousands of years ago.

The system you and many others go by was developed by the Brits.
Banking systems were in use
in the Mediterranean region when
Briton was a wild savage frontier.

The system the world uses to run its economy was developed by the Brits.
London is the centre of international finance, the gold price is set there
every day. Kuala Lumpur, Singapore and Hong Kong are world centres of
commerce. All three were just a few huts before the Brits made cities out
of them and used the economic and trade system the Brits created.
Electronic computers were first built
by Mauchly and Eckert in the US,
Alan Turning's electromechanical
decoding machine doesn't
really count as a computer.

Colossus was a an electronic computer, the first in the world. Go and see it
at Blechley Park. The British also developed the first commercially
available computer.
Electronic television was mainly
the work of Filo Farnsworth,

The first demonstration of TV was by John Logi Baird in London.
The first functional radio was
made by Marconi, an Italian, based
on earlier experiments in England.

Marconi was half Italian half Brit and his only contribution is was the
first trans-Altantic signals. The first demonstration of radio was by
Oliver Lodge. Developed at Liverpool uni and demonstrated at Oxford. The
first outside radio signals were from the tower at Liverpool uni to the roof
of Lewis's department store. Lodge also developed the IC engine ignition
system, used until recently.
Steel was first made in Syria and Japan
centuries before Bessemer.

So the myth goes. But unknown to people in the world when Bessemer invented
it and made it available to the world, making a huge impact.
The WWW was developed at
CERN at the Swiss-French border,
based on Hypertext concepts developed
elsewhere, and
run on the US developed Internet.

It was the brainchild of Tim Berners-Lee, and Englishman, who took it to
full acceptance. The comms systems the www mostly runs on is optical fibres,
again developed by the Brits. The first operational optical fibre
installation was in Stevenage in 1977. Optical fibre are based on teh laser,
invented by the Brits in 1960.
I will give the British credit for
steam engines, Stirling engines, Gas
turbines and jet engines, stainless
steel, Radar, and half credit for the
light bulb (basic concept by Swan,
tungsten filament perfected by GE)

Swan was the first. Fact.
The point is, there are clever engineers
all over the world. No nation has
a monopoly on invention.

One has contributed far more than others though, the United Kingdon.
And all of the inventions listed
above are based on earlier
developments, often developed
elsewhere.

That is like giving credit to all inventions to Tesla who developed the a/c
electrical system. Without that all others after could not have happened.
If you only count just the patents
issued by the British government. If I
counted just the patents issued by the
US Patent Office, the results would
be even more lopsided favoring the US.


Maybe he likes Stephen Hawkings?
Actually, Bill Gates is spending huge
fortunes for R&D in sites all around the
world, including Seattle (Microsoft is
headquartered in the Seattle suburb of
Redmond) and is giving philanthropic
donations to educational institutions
around the world. After all, a well
educated populace is a good market
for his products.

The flagship for his research he wanted at Cambridge University - the place
the atom was first split in 1919.

We could go an about the physicists and mathematicians like Isaac Newton,
Kelvin, etc, but the point is well proven by now.
 
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Dave Hinz

Jan 1, 1970
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The point is, there are clever engineers all over the world. No nation has
a monopoly on invention. And all of the inventions listed above are based
on earlier developments, often developed elsewhere.

And all are examples of someone discovering and developing something, and
showing the world how they did it. Exactly how News's scam-of-the-month
inventors _don't_ do it.
Maybe he likes Stephen Hawkings? Actually, Bill Gates is spending huge
fortunes for R&D in sites all around the world, including Seattle
(Microsoft is headquartered in the Seattle suburb of Redmond) and is giving
philanthropic donations to educational institutions around the world. After
all, a well educated populace is a good market for his products.

Well, to a point...
 
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