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  1. felix_unger

    felix_unger Guest

    whoever conned the govt into mandating their use must be laughing all
    the way to the bank. not only are they an environmental hazed, they are
    simply not cost effective. they don't last 10 times longer than
    conventional bulbs, or however many times it was supposed to be, and
    they cost heaps more. they emit UV radiation too.
     
  2. Rod Speed

    Rod Speed Guest

    The govt conned themselves...
    Unlikely given that none of them are made here.
    The best of them do.
    Mine have been quite literally free.
    Bullshit.
     
  3. **Bollocks to all the above.

    I just replaced my first two CFLs. They were in use for more than 10
    years each @ around 4 hours per day each. The total amount of mercury
    released by all the extra coal burned exceeds the amount of mercury in
    each lamp by a very considerable amount. CO2 reduction, using CFLs is
    substantial.

    I've lived in my present home for 7 years. I have more than 20 CFLs, a
    handful of regular incandescents, 20-odd halogens (presently being
    replaced by LEDs) and a 13 linear fluoros. In that time, I've replaced
    two CFLs (which had I transferred from my previous home - these are both
    very high use lamps), 6 incandescents (which see around 20 hours/year
    operation), 4 linear fluoros and 15 halogens (which see less than 20
    hours/year operation.

    UV radiation is substantially blocked by regular glass.

    http://www.arpansa.gov.au/RadiationProtection/Factsheets/is_cfl.cfm


    Get your information straight before you post.
     
  4. annily

    annily Guest

    I suppose CFLs will be relaced by LEDs as the preferred home lighting in
    the not-too-distant future, when they drop in price.
     
  5. **They already are. I'm replacing all my halogens with LEDs. There's a
    drop in light output, but there's a huge number of them, so the total
    light available is plenty. The power savings are massive. I replaced 300
    Watts of halogens with 30 Watts of LEDs (electronic transformers). As
    the CFLs fail, they'll be replaced with LEDs as well.
     
  6. Phil Allison

    Phil Allison Guest

    "felix_unger"
    ** Australia's lighting importers could not believe their luck when
    approached by the Govt about phasing out GLS bulbs.

    There was obviously big money in it for them, so the REAL issues with two so
    very different products were never mentioned.

    No CFL maker claims they can replace GLS bulbs in all or even most
    situations or ever demonstrated the assumed cost benefit to be real.

    The alleged CO2 reduction is non existent in reality.
    ** All true.

    Greenies dreamt up the mad idea for political reasons and we know
    technically savvy they are.

    Banning transformer based plug paks was their other triumph.

    No proper investigation into either ban was ever done and the public were
    never asked to comment.

    Bad law making, bad policy and bad thinking.



    .... Phil
     
  7. Peter Howard

    Peter Howard Guest

    Keep the receipts for the LED lamps. When they were very new on the market I
    bought four BC globe type Osrams as an experiment. One failed within a few
    weeks but Bunnings replaced it willingly when I showed them the dated proof
    of purchase. The other three plus the replacement are still going strong
    after three years. Very satisfactory experiment. No warm up time like a cfl
    and nice light quality. Mine at least also have a slight afterglow for a few
    minutes after switching off which is handy for finding the bed after
    switching off the main bedroom light.
    As the LED technology matures I think that the cfl might be the vcr of the
    lighting world. Brief moment of glory but consigned to the dustbin of
    history when better technology comes along.
    PH
     
  8. Jeßus

    Jeßus Guest

    Never been a fan of CFLs, it's a good thing LEDs matured into a much
    superior alternative.
     
  9. Jeßus

    Jeßus Guest

    And good riddance to them.
     
  10. Petzl

    Petzl Guest

    Good advice I bought 4 fom Aldi 3 weeks ago strong but even at $10 a
    piece not good value, take years to get my $10 back. Aldi would of
    replaced it but couldn't be bothered, I buy $2, 18 watt fluro's which
    work well
    --
    Petzl
    http://www.aec.gov.au/election/pva/
    DON'T VOTE ABOVE THE LINE
    PUT POWER BACK IN DEMOCRACY

    In a democracy of course you always get a choice
    Do you want to be governed by the red or by the blue
    it’s entirely up to you
    Do you want to be patronized or condescended to, by liars or by crooks
    you get to choose.
    Would you prefer your fundamental values to be insulted or ignored by
    con-men or by charlatans
    In short do you want your influence to be zero or nil
    and when would you like to be listened to, never or not at all, it’s
    your choice
    Do you want, some more choices.
    take-it-or-leave-it
    Now there’s a real choice
    we have proportional voting in Australia USE IT
    I’d be happy with any kind of representation wouldn't you
    I would like to see a new government and part of me doesn't’give a
    damn who’s in it
    as long as it doesn't’include anybody from the Labor, Liberal or
    Green party
    organizations that show themselves to be without shame or principle
    All spineless and authoritarian both cowardly and war mongering at the
    same time

    Put Labor, Liberal and Green party last on your Ballot choose your
    independant or small parties first then donkey vote down to those last
    on your ballot

    Personally I'll be voting Christian Democratic Group first, One Nation
    Group second, Palmer United group third, Katters Australia Party group
    fourth
     
  11. felix_unger

    felix_unger Guest

    and according to you that will be in 10 years time.. :)
     
  12. felix_unger

    felix_unger Guest

    I've had to replace heaps in just a few years
    if they're not an environmental (and health I should have said) hazard
    why does the govt issue instructions about how they are to be disposed of?
    they still emit radiation
     
  13. felix_unger

    felix_unger Guest

    It can't happen soon enough
     
  14. felix_unger

    felix_unger Guest

    it hasn't really become cost effective yet, and I tried some, but the
    output is too low. ok for desklamps tho.
     
  15. Jeßus

    Jeßus Guest

    It's true that they're still pricey, I personally find the output very
    good. I have a few 4.5W LEDs in some downlights scattered around the
    house, a few in desk lamps as well. Oh, and a 1.somethingW globe in
    the fridge. I have an outdoor globe as well, very bright. All doing a
    great job.

    One thing that drove me crazy about CFLs is a high-pitched tone that I
    frequently encountered. Haven't noticed that with LEDs so far.
     
  16. Jeßus

    Jeßus Guest

    I can't stand the cool colour temps, especially with CFLs... I always
    go for the warm ones.
     
  17. Petzl

    Petzl Guest

    The Aldi 8 watt ones ($10) I reckon are equal to a 60 watt
    incandescant
    out of four one blew after a week so not convinced of reliability

    The light is warm the brigther cool bring in to many bugs
    --
    Petzl
    http://www.aec.gov.au/election/pva/
    DON'T VOTE ABOVE THE LINE
    PUT POWER BACK IN DEMOCRACY

    In a democracy of course you always get a choice
    Do you want to be governed by the red or by the blue
    it’s entirely up to you
    Do you want to be patronized or condescended to, by liars or by crooks
    you get to choose.
    Would you prefer your fundamental values to be insulted or ignored by
    con-men or by charlatans
    In short do you want your influence to be zero or nil
    and when would you like to be listened to, never or not at all, it’s
    your choice
    Do you want, some more choices.
    take-it-or-leave-it
    Now there’s a real choice
    we have proportional voting in Australia USE IT
    I’d be happy with any kind of representation wouldn't you
    I would like to see a new government and part of me doesn't’give a
    damn who’s in it
    as long as it doesn't’include anybody from the Labor, Liberal or
    Green party
    organizations that show themselves to be without shame or principle
    All spineless and authoritarian both cowardly and war mongering at the
    same time

    Put Labor, Liberal and Green party last on your Ballot choose your
    independant or small parties first then donkey vote down to those last
    on your ballot

    Personally I'll be voting Christian Democratic Group first, One Nation
    Group second, Palmer United group third, Katters Australia Party group
    fourth
     
  18. Rod Speed

    Rod Speed Guest

    Because they are even less of an environmental hazard when disposed of
    properly.
    So does everything.
     
  19. Sylvia Else

    Sylvia Else Guest

    I dislike the "warm white". Some are even yellower than the
    incandescents they're meant to replace.

    However, the cool white (or daylight) ones did take a bit of getting
    used to, after half a century of yellow night-times. But I'd never
    willingly go back - the world looks quite different when you can see the
    blue in things.

    Sylvia.
     
  20. Sylvia Else

    Sylvia Else Guest

    Were they actually banned?

    I'd assumed that it was economics that eliminated them.

    Sylvia.
     
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