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Discussion in 'Security Alarms' started by Socrates, Aug 26, 2005.

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  1. Jackcsg

    Jackcsg Guest

    At least you have a good sense of humor.

    I think most here understand what you're saying.
    I'm sure the quality is quite good, however the application is extremely
    limited. Probably more so as a video badging station for access control
    cards, not so much surveillance applications. Might even be good in the
    automation processing world. Just not practical as a CCTV replacement.
    Best of luck.
     
  2. Crash Gordon

    Crash Gordon Guest

    I was just joking.

    I did use an old Hi 8 video cam for a webcam last year...great quality
    images.
     
  3. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest

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  4. J. Sloud

    J. Sloud Guest

    I think your understanding of the modern CCTV industry is less than
    perfect. The regs here who do high end CCTV work understand what your
    trying to say, but we also realize that your product has very little
    real world application. First of all, check out this product:
    http://www.ipix.com/cv_360.html It's a very high tech application of
    some of your concepts in a real world applicable product.
    Second of all, realize that the company I work for probably sells and
    installs for CCTV that any company on the planet. I've personally
    designed CCTV systems for every branch of the US Armed Forces, a whole
    alphabet soup of federal agencies, and a laundry list of major
    corporations. Believe me when I say your ideas are not practical,
    especially for outdoor security where lighting and weather conditions
    can be less than ideal. Third of all, realize that posting ads on a
    Usenet newsgroup without any technical merit is a great way to become
    unpopular real fast.
     
  5. Guest

    X-No-Archive
    Wireless video is unreliable and quality and frame rate is slow.
    And as of a few years ago you can buy wireless transmitters to send
    images to your PC without any cable.

    The images you posted show absolutely nothing at night besides the
    people right in front of the flash.

    Putting a camera inside the property looking out the window is useless
    for 99.9999 % of CCTV applications.

    So they are not

    When i say pitch dark, i mean no regular lighting, lets try Infrared,
    they are not designed for that, like ExtremeCCTV.com is.

    Im talking hidden cameras, all DVRs have motion detection built in its
    nothing new, but lets see you fit that still camera into an alarm
    motion detector or smoke detector for covert operations.

    What I was emphasising is that still cameras are not vandal resistant.

    Once again i invite you to discuss your ideas with us over at:
    www.cctvforum.com - all ideas are welcomed.
     
  6. Jackcsg

    Jackcsg Guest


    Not true. We use an Ethernet bridge which transmits images at 30 frames per
    second (NTSC), as well as two-way audio codec at the same time, TCP/IP. Has
    a range of up to 15 miles, license free.We can even control light relays(up
    to 500), and alarm inputs (up to 500), over the same bridge, simultaneously.
     
  7. Guest

    Not in high quality though, it is compressed for wireless networking.
     
  8. Guest

    "Not true. We use an Ethernet bridge which transmits images at 30
    frames per
    second (NTSC), as well as two-way audio codec at the same time, TCP/IP.
    Has
    a range of up to 15 miles, license free.We can even control light
    relays(up
    to 500), and alarm inputs (up to 500), over the same bridge,
    simultaneously. "

    For true (non networked) high quality wireless video visit:
    http://www.videocommtech.com/
     
  9. Jackcsg

    Jackcsg Guest

    Really? The installation seems to tell a different story.
    No Rory, it's not Wi Fi, or 802.11x. It's 900 MHz spread spectrum, point to
    point.
    There's no degraded quality difference between being on a 100 Base-T, or the
    bridge.
    The camera functions the same, at the same quality.
     
  10. Jackcsg

    Jackcsg Guest

    It's a great unit if you like being limited. How can you do two-way audio,
    alarm inputs, video, PTZ, and throw a few relays for some high voltage quick
    strike lighting with this unit?
     
  11. Guest

    It is the only Type of Wireless recommended for CCTV, it is high
    quality non networked real motion video, just like you are sitting in
    front of the camera.

    IP is still very limited. In fact, all wireless video is limited and
    you should ONLY use wireless for video transmission if it is the
    absolute last resort.

    You dont need relays as this is simply video.
    They have PTZ versions.
     
  12. Guest

    " No Rory, it's not Wi Fi, or 802.11x. It's 900 MHz spread spectrum,
    point to
    point.
    There's no degraded quality difference between being on a 100 Base-T,
    or the
    bridge.
    The camera functions the same, at the same quality. "

    If it is video over network then it IS degraded video.

    900Mhz 15 miles, yeah right!
     
  13. Jackcsg

    Jackcsg Guest

    You have to get off that little island someday and discover what's really
    out there!
    30 Frames per second. What part of that is degraded? 15 miles line of site.
    1.5 Mbps bridged ethernet connection.
    You could take over the Island with Network Cameras!
     
  14. J. Sloud

    J. Sloud Guest

    Rory,

    The highest end of this industry is doing a lot of IP video right now,
    both wireless and hardwired. Your market doesn't seem to warrant the
    use of this technology, so I'm not suprised you don't know much about
    it. As CCTV becomes even more integrated into facility control, IP is
    the natural common infrastructure. In the coming years, IP video will
    become more mainstreamed and NVR's and RVR's will replace DVR's as the
    industry standard more medium to highend applications.

    There are some very high-end wireless and wired IP products designed
    for the security market. Here's one of the most advanced:
    http://www.marconi.com/Home/customer_center/Solutions/Enterprise/Security & Surveillance

    Here's another:
    http://www.verint.com/video_solutions/index.cfm


    You claim that wireless is limted and should only be used as a last
    resort. Why? Boviously, the type of products influences the answer to
    this question. At the highest end of the market, these wireless
    products may be more reliable than wired systems. They are certianly
    more flexible and powerful.


    J.
     
  15. Guest

    I know whats out there, seen it, used it, been there, done it. Recently
    changed out a few Wireless IP systems due to interference, and low
    quality video in highest mode.

    Network Video = Degraded IMAGE QUALITY - didn't say speed. Lower the
    quality and you get higher speed, thats simple.

    Network cameras will never work here. As you should know, they are
    still rarely used by CCTV "professionals" in most parts of the world,
    and for good reasons I wont post here. Mostly DIYers and PC guys are
    using them. If you want High quality recordings you cannot use IP
    cameras. The same goes for installers that use PC based DVRs and set
    the record quality on low, or use low resolution CCTV cameras.
     
  16. petem

    petem Guest

    I can just picture this..our friend in the bahamas in front of his monitor
    and saying...one day i will rule the bahamas!!wait till all my wireless cam
    work..i will control the whole country...(follow a mad laught)... ;-)
     
  17. Guest

    I dont know what industry you are talking about, Im talking about CCTV.
     
  18. Guest

    Why would I use IP when I use twisted pair gear like NVT and Nitek, and
    use Amplified Gear, which tie right into my rack mount DVR servers.
    They come in expandable rack mount gear for 100% flexebility. And then
    I get real high crisp quality. DVRs are expanable simply by adding more
    cards. With the current IP technology DVRs will not get replaced. We
    also use Network software that can view thousands of DVRs and cameras,
    and record remotely if needed, with still having a DVR at the location
    which is recording in high quality. Also we can view IP cameras if we
    need to.

    Wireless should always be used as a last resort, for any application.
    Wired will always be more reliable, especially with video.

    Care to discuss it more we have many threads on this over at:
    www.cctvforum.com - I dont wish to discuss it anymore on an "alarm"
    forum.
     
  19. Jackcsg

    Jackcsg Guest

    I can send a Network camera over 5,000 feet with a single pair as well.
    Except instead of just one camera at the end I could put five or six
    cameras.
    Same with IP, only you don't have the same flexibility, you have distance
    limits, and a closed circuit.
    The quality over IP is as good, if not better than a conventional camera.

    DVRs are expanable simply by adding more
    Our DVR can record up to 50 cameras at a time, with no Capture Cards.

    With the current IP technology DVRs will not get replaced. We
    We can do the same with both audio and video over IP.
    Wireless bridging will become faster and faster as time goes on. It is as
    reliable as wired, without the expensive costs of trenching, and a labor
    intensive/expensive install.
     
  20. Jackcsg

    Jackcsg Guest

    Then it flew over your head as it went learning by....
     
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