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D from BC

Jan 1, 1970
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I've been Googling for awhile and it's hard to find NCR carbonless
paper in my neighborhood.
I'm looking for NCR paper 8.5"x11", xero/form II uncollated paper 2
part white NCR0481 or similiar.
(Some dude on Amazon.com has it.)
Last I checked, Staples doesn't have it.
Called customer service at Office Depot and she says "What's NCR
carbonless paper?"
In case:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonless_copy_paper

Clippings from
http://www.paperonweb.com/news-sept.htm sept 1999
"
Appleton Papers is the world's largest producer of carbonless paper
and the sole producer of the NCR Paper* brand of carbonless paper.

The company sells its carbonless paper products directly to converters
and business forms printers who print carbonless forms and to paper
merchants who stock and sell carbonless paper to printers.

Appleton Papers chief executive officer Doug Buth said declining
demand for carbonless paper has created excess capacity worldwide and
prompted the company to sell the Harrisburg facility. ``The market
will not support the amount of production capacity available now or in
the future,'' said Buth.
"

Gee...sounds like the end of carbonless paper. But there's still those
credit card receipts!

Patent number 4675706 Filed May 7, 1986
Appleton
http://www.carbonlesscopypaper.com/patents_4675706.htm

Huh... probably expired. Nice timing....
Patent applied 1986, plant sold ~1999, patent expires ~2006.


D from BC
British Columbia
Canada.
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:24:46 -0800, D from BC

[snip]
Gee...sounds like the end of carbonless paper. But there's still those
credit card receipts!
[snip]

I am acutely aware of credit card receipts because of tax deductions.

I would say that only about 10% of my transactions use carbonless
paper. The bulk of the computers/registers spit out two copies, on
with a signature line labeled "Merchant Copy", the other has no
signature line and is labeled "Customer Copy".

...Jim Thompson
 
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Jon Slaughter

Jan 1, 1970
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D from BC said:
I've been Googling for awhile and it's hard to find NCR carbonless
paper in my neighborhood.
I'm looking for NCR paper 8.5"x11", xero/form II uncollated paper 2
part white NCR0481 or similiar.
(Some dude on Amazon.com has it.)
Last I checked, Staples doesn't have it.
Called customer service at Office Depot and she says "What's NCR
carbonless paper?"
In case:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonless_copy_paper

Clippings from
http://www.paperonweb.com/news-sept.htm sept 1999
"
Appleton Papers is the world's largest producer of carbonless paper
and the sole producer of the NCR Paper* brand of carbonless paper.

The company sells its carbonless paper products directly to converters
and business forms printers who print carbonless forms and to paper
merchants who stock and sell carbonless paper to printers.

Appleton Papers chief executive officer Doug Buth said declining
demand for carbonless paper has created excess capacity worldwide and
prompted the company to sell the Harrisburg facility. ``The market
will not support the amount of production capacity available now or in
the future,'' said Buth.
"

Gee...sounds like the end of carbonless paper. But there's still those
credit card receipts!

Patent number 4675706 Filed May 7, 1986
Appleton
http://www.carbonlesscopypaper.com/patents_4675706.htm

Huh... probably expired. Nice timing....
Patent applied 1986, plant sold ~1999, patent expires ~2006.

Just google carbonless forms. I was also looking online this week and found
a ton of resources. I guess you are not trying hard enough.

You can even print and pad them yourself if your interested. (about 35$ per
1000 3-part forms IIRC)

Most online sites let you upload a BW form to be used. I also went to office
depot and they do not carry the blank paper but already printed forms.
 
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Paul Hovnanian P.E.

Jan 1, 1970
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D said:
[snip]

Gee...sounds like the end of carbonless paper. But there's still those
credit card receipts!

Most credit card imprinters are being replaced with scanners that print
one copy for signature and another as a customer receipt.

Better fraud protection. The customer copy (the one that gets tossed and
the thieves go dumpster diving for) has all but the last 4 digits of the
CCN Xed out.
 
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mpm

Jan 1, 1970
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I've been Googling for awhile and it's hard to find NCR carbonless
paper in my neighborhood.
I'm looking for NCR paper 8.5"x11", xero/form II uncollated paper 2
part white NCR0481 or similiar.
(Some dude on Amazon.com has it.)
Last I checked, Staples doesn't have it.
Called customer service at Office Depot and she says "What's NCR
carbonless paper?"
In case:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonless_copy_paper

Clippings fromhttp://www.paperonweb.com/news-sept.htmsept 1999
"
Appleton Papers is the world's largest producer of carbonless paper
and the sole producer of the NCR Paper* brand of carbonless paper.

The company sells its carbonless paper products directly to converters
and business forms printers who print carbonless forms and to paper
merchants who stock and sell carbonless paper to printers.

Appleton Papers chief executive officer Doug Buth said declining
demand for carbonless paper has created excess capacity worldwide and
prompted the company to sell the Harrisburg facility. ``The market
will not support the amount of production capacity available now or in
the future,'' said Buth.
"

Gee...sounds like the end of carbonless paper. But there's still those
credit card receipts!

Patent number 4675706 Filed May 7, 1986
Appletonhttp://www.carbonlesscopypaper.com/patents_4675706.htm

Huh... probably expired. Nice timing....
Patent applied 1986, plant sold ~1999, patent expires ~2006.

D from BC
British Columbia
Canada.

Wow, what timing!

I currently have a need for some NCR-type sales forms.
Cost is not a huge concern as I only need a few hundred to get
started, and I might change the layout going forward anyway (so I
don't even want a huge stockpile!).

I am probably just going to order from www.ncrforms.com

HOWEVER, anybody know a good program to layout one of these forms??
Excel seems obvious, but it really isn't all that "pretty".
PhotoShop would get the job done, but that's pixel based and would
take a while.

Isn't there a NCR form layout tool available?
I have the same problem for a creating a HTML web-based twin of this
form.
Ideally, something that accepts placeholders, instead of having to
generate each HTML form on the fly. Remember these are 2 separate
issues. One hard-copy print, the other HTML.

Help is definitely appreciated! Thanks.
-mpm
 
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mpm

Jan 1, 1970
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has all but the last 4 digits of the
CCN Xed out.

Required by Florida and New York (last 5 digitis) state laws, by the
way. Probably others as well. In both states, this requirement
applies to "receipts", so it's not clear to me whether the restriction
would also apply to Sales Orders and/or Contracts.....

Doesn't matter though, we decided on a different approach to collect
the card data.
-mpm
 
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JosephKK

Jan 1, 1970
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Wow, what timing!

I currently have a need for some NCR-type sales forms.
Cost is not a huge concern as I only need a few hundred to get
started, and I might change the layout going forward anyway (so I
don't even want a huge stockpile!).

I am probably just going to order from www.ncrforms.com

HOWEVER, anybody know a good program to layout one of these forms??
Excel seems obvious, but it really isn't all that "pretty".
PhotoShop would get the job done, but that's pixel based and would
take a while.

Isn't there a NCR form layout tool available?
I have the same problem for a creating a HTML web-based twin of this
form.
Ideally, something that accepts placeholders, instead of having to
generate each HTML form on the fly. Remember these are 2 separate
issues. One hard-copy print, the other HTML.

Help is definitely appreciated! Thanks.
-mpm

I have actually seen and heard that Acrobat composer and MSword can
both do a decent job. I have played with Acrobat and MSword and both
will do the job. I suggest pencil and paper first, then convert to
computer files. Knowing what you want to compose on the form is far
more important that the tool used to finish the form. Since you want
hardcopy and HTML word is probably the MSwin tool of choice.
 
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D from BC

Jan 1, 1970
0
I've been Googling for awhile and it's hard to find NCR carbonless
paper in my neighborhood.
I'm looking for NCR paper 8.5"x11", xero/form II uncollated paper 2
part white NCR0481 or similiar.
(Some dude on Amazon.com has it.)
Last I checked, Staples doesn't have it.
Called customer service at Office Depot and she says "What's NCR
carbonless paper?"
In case:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonless_copy_paper

Clippings from
http://www.paperonweb.com/news-sept.htm sept 1999
"
Appleton Papers is the world's largest producer of carbonless paper
and the sole producer of the NCR Paper* brand of carbonless paper.

The company sells its carbonless paper products directly to converters
and business forms printers who print carbonless forms and to paper
merchants who stock and sell carbonless paper to printers.

Appleton Papers chief executive officer Doug Buth said declining
demand for carbonless paper has created excess capacity worldwide and
prompted the company to sell the Harrisburg facility. ``The market
will not support the amount of production capacity available now or in
the future,'' said Buth.
"

Gee...sounds like the end of carbonless paper. But there's still those
credit card receipts!

Patent number 4675706 Filed May 7, 1986
Appleton
http://www.carbonlesscopypaper.com/patents_4675706.htm

Huh... probably expired. Nice timing....
Patent applied 1986, plant sold ~1999, patent expires ~2006.


D from BC
British Columbia
Canada.

Almost found it..
http://www.appletonideas.com/Applet....do?langId=-1&catalogId=239327&storeId=139327
And the site lists Merchant Offices for US and Canada :)

I'm following a paper trail... :p


D from BC
British Columbia
Canada.
 
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T

Jan 1, 1970
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On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 16:52:40 -0700, Jim Thompson

On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:24:46 -0800, D from BC

[snip]

Gee...sounds like the end of carbonless paper. But there's still those
credit card receipts!

[snip]

I am acutely aware of credit card receipts because of tax deductions.

I would say that only about 10% of my transactions use carbonless
paper. The bulk of the computers/registers spit out two copies, on
with a signature line labeled "Merchant Copy", the other has no
signature line and is labeled "Customer Copy".

...Jim Thompson

Yup..
Cheap printing tech killed carbonless paper.
Example: Laser printers go as low as ~$100.00 now.


D from BC
British Columbia
Canada.

While printers have gotten super cheap, the price of consumables is
where printer manufacturers make their biggest chunk of change.

For example, if you run inkjet you'll be looking at $8,000 per gallon of
ink. Toner is a little cheaper but not by much. I did the math out one
time and found out it cost about 1 or 2 cents a page not including cost
of paper.

According to:
http://www.cockeyed.com/science/gallon/liquid.html
Last updated 2006??

Black ink from ink cartridge: $2701.52/gallon
Human blood at $1514.79/gallon?? Wow!
When I donate, all I get is a cookie and juice :(

Mmmm... Anticoagulant + preservative + blood = cheap ink?? :p
Starts off reddish..Then turns carmine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmine_(color)

Blood cell: 6.6microns to 7.5microns in diameter
Ink jet nozzle diameter: ~45 microns
Nahh.. Probably doesn't have the opaqueness of carbon pigment. :p

However, would make for cool Youtube material :)


D from BC
British Columbia
Canada.

At my former place of employment they switched to this fancy color coded
filing system so all the folders had to have color labels printed.

Only thing we could really afford was inkjet, ended up with an HP K550.
That thing ate ink but then they printed almost 30 new folder labels a
day.
 
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Michael A. Terrell

Jan 1, 1970
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mpm said:
Wow, what timing!

I currently have a need for some NCR-type sales forms.
Cost is not a huge concern as I only need a few hundred to get
started, and I might change the layout going forward anyway (so I
don't even want a huge stockpile!).

I am probably just going to order from www.ncrforms.com

HOWEVER, anybody know a good program to layout one of these forms??
Excel seems obvious, but it really isn't all that "pretty".
PhotoShop would get the job done, but that's pixel based and would
take a while.

Isn't there a NCR form layout tool available?
I have the same problem for a creating a HTML web-based twin of this
form.
Ideally, something that accepts placeholders, instead of having to
generate each HTML form on the fly. Remember these are 2 separate
issues. One hard-copy print, the other HTML.

Help is definitely appreciated! Thanks.
-mpm


<http://www.tucows.com/search.html?s...h_size_multi=b&search_terms=forms&srch_pf=win>
shows 258 programs in these catagories: : Shareware | Freeware |
Commercial Demos | OpenSource Licenses | Other Licenses

<http://www.download.com/3120-20_4.html?qt=forms&tag=srch&tg=dl-20>
shows 3220 programs

<http://www.pcworld.com/search/results?col=down&qt=forms> shofs 497
programs.

A lot of freeware, and interesting plugins.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
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mpm

Jan 1, 1970
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<http://www.tucows.com/search.html?search_scope=win&search_lib=soft&se....>
shows 258 programs in these catagories: : Shareware | Freeware |
Commercial Demos | OpenSource Licenses | Other Licenses

<http://www.download.com/3120-20_4.html?qt=forms&tag=srch&tg=dl-20>
shows 3220 programs

<http://www.pcworld.com/search/results?col=down&qt=forms> shofs 497
programs.

� A lot of freeware, and interesting plugins.

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Thanks Mike! I'll sift through these....

Forgot to think about Tucows.
Plus, I'm somehow in the mindest that I need PRINTED output, not a web-
based form.
In other words, I'm trying to layout for the printed NCR page......

But you're right. Do it on screen and just screen capture it.
What a concept!

-mpm
 
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Michael A. Terrell

Jan 1, 1970
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mpm said:
Thanks Mike! I'll sift through these....

Forgot to think about Tucows.
Plus, I'm somehow in the mindest that I need PRINTED output, not a web-
based form.
In other words, I'm trying to layout for the printed NCR page......

But you're right. Do it on screen and just screen capture it.
What a concept!

-mpm


Some of those programs create printed forms. If you have full Adobe
Acrobat there are plugins that let you type in the information, and
print. Another approach is HTML with Javascript to fill in the missing
information.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
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