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Capacitor with conductive metal inbetween plates

Discussion in 'General Electronics Discussion' started by seza, Sep 4, 2019.

  1. seza

    seza

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    Hi,

    As always this is great forum, I am learning great deal here :)

    I am thinking about making a simple capacitor, made up of:

    1. Conductive parallel plates - lets say they are made of Aluminium
    2. An insulator made up of two layers, can be anything - lets say paper
    3. A very thin metal sheet such as Aluminium foil sandwiched inbetween the insulating layers

    Lets assume my manufacturing skills allow me to make the cap with these dimensions:
    :: the surface area of the cap will be 100 x 100mm
    :: the thickness of each insulating layer will be 50microns
    :: the thickness of the sandwiched Al sheet will be 5microns

    If we only apply DC current - what effect would that setup have on: Capacitance? Voltage? etc ...

    thanks
     
  2. Harald Kapp

    Harald Kapp Moderator Moderator

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    Only the insulating layers will contribute to the effective distance between the two outer plates. The inner plate will effectively short-circuit (if one can use the term in this context) the electrical field between the outer plates. Thus capacitance can be calculated from the area of the outer plates, the thickness of the insulation and the permittivity of the insulator.
    This is assuming the inner plate has the same size as the outer plates and is placed centered.
     
  3. seza

    seza

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    Harald - thanks for your quick reply,
    So are you saying the metal sheet will have no impact?
    As the metal sheet is highly conductive, in the presence of the electric field does that not cause the Alum atoms to polarise and therefore contribute to increasing the dielectric constant? Or the presence of the al sheet in the middle of the field cause the collapse of the field totaly?
     
  4. Alec_t

    Alec_t

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    If it is unconnected it will reduce the capacitance slightly. Without the sheet the two outer plates are 2 x 50 = 100u apart. With the sheet the plates are 105u apart. Capacitance is inversely proportional to plate separation.
     
  5. Harald Kapp

    Harald Kapp Moderator Moderator

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    No it doesn't. It will act as a short circuit for the electric field. Compare this to two plate capacitors in series where each capacitor has only one dielectric separator. This is essentially the same as having the conductive plate in the center of a single capacitor with twice the dieletric thickness:
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  6. hevans1944

    hevans1944 Hop - AC8NS

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    You might want to investigate how supercapacitors are made. They are essentially two capacitors in series, but with the common electrode inaccessible because of the design. Therefore the effective capacitance is half that of either of the two capacitors in series. If these two capacitors are 100 farads each, then the effective capacitance of the supercapacitor is 50 farads. Goggle "supercapacitor construction" for the initial entrance to this fascinating rabbit hole of technology.
     
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