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Discussion in 'Electronic Design' started by RR, Jun 20, 2007.

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  1. RR

    RR Guest

  2. John_H

    John_H Guest

    Couldn't start to identify the part with that image. Maybe it looks good on
    your monitor but I don't care to adjust my monitor settings and get the loop
    out to try and SEE the logo on that chip in the first place. Might I
    suggest a better macro lens?
  3. I had trouble making it out as well. Looks fuzzily-familiar to a
    Cypress logo. If you tell us the part number we can pin it down.
  4. larwe

    larwe Guest

    I don't think the OP actually owns one, that looks like a stock/
    catalog photo. And the second photo appears to be a woman's hand,
    which while not incompossible with the name "Richard" is at least
  5. Q. Why do you want to know?

    Looking at the PCB vs the functionality, I'm having trouble understanding
    why you'd need half the crap on there just to interface 4 SD cards to
    IDE... and looking at the asking price it would appear that the marketing
    division have as little clue as the engineering division...

  6. According to the manufacturer (Century Corp, Japan), it stripes the data
    across the multiple cards to speed up access (you must install cards in

  7. My statement stands. You can do all that in a single CPLD...

  8. Antti

    Antti Guest


    it depends on your definition of CPLD, if you mean CPLD as Complex
    PLD, not FPGA then, well it may be still doable, but very unreasonable
    as the price of CPLDs increases very quickly above 64MC. If you say
    that an FULL ATA compliant high speed multi SD in parallel optimized
    interface can be done "cost effectivly" in simple CPLD, then this is
    something that I would say is not so. OR if you are able to implement
    it, then I should maybe buy an hat. (so that I can take it off, should
    I meet you).

    the PCB as on picture sure is using an overkill of components, but
    replacing them with and small CPLD is also not possible. However an
    3USD FPGA maybe already be able todo the task.

  9. Agreed, was my idea too.
  10. Antti

    Antti Guest

    its of course nice idea :)
    if the functionality could be easily implemented in small simple PLD,
    then this CPLD could be sold as competing product to:


    I personally would instantly buy this IP (IDE-SD interface that can
    fit into CPLD), but it is a little more than "simple PLD" to achive
    this, so I dont expect this to be available.


    PS, hm just recalled, I have made a MMC (MMC mode, not SPI) mode IP
    core that can configure FPGA from MMC card, this IP core does take 21
    Macrocells (coolrunner-2), other technologies 22 MC. So I think I know
    what function takes what resources in CPLD/FPGA. A high performance
    standard compliant IDE-SD interface is not fittable into CPLD
    (standard CPLD, not counting the cross-over products like machXO/MAX-
    II to CPLD's)
  11. OK, FPGA, actually I was thinking that first.
    But make no mistake: what part is [in] the 'driver' and what part is the
    CPLD [FPGA].
    Maybe with some clever doing you could make the hardware part very simple.
  12. Antti

    Antti Guest

    eh, if you read my replies, then I did not outrule this to be
    implementatble in "3 USD FPGA",
    there are not so many FPGA with <= 3 USD price tag. And yes fitting
    into to cheapest FPGA
    would require near-magical engineering, but could be doable.

  13. Guest

    It looks to me like the one-per-card chips are probably buffer
    memories of some sort.
  14. Antti

    Antti Guest

    sure, its very simple:

    [ATA device IP Core] < BUFFER > [SD Host IP Core]
    + some small management state machine.

    it really is simple as that, but I would not call it "buffer memory of
    some sort"

  15. Guest

    You assume that the operation of the buffers is trivial. I suspect it
    may not be. Even the ATA interface is non-trivial if you want to
    support the faster transfer modes. There's probably a reason why it's
    an FPGA and not simply a CPLD.

    I'm sure someone could make a more cost-optomized design, but at the
    extremes of that, performance may suffer. Of course we could also be
    looking at a product where someone plunked down the parts they thought
    would be required to make a good solution, but shipped it before
    getting their HDL code beyond minimal low-rate functionality.
    Oh, and absent information as to what type of "buffer memory" it is,
    what exactly would you call it?
  16. Guest

    Yes, if you have an 8 bit port, and 8 cards, use the cards in SPI mode
    (DO,DI,CS,Clk) one card per bit, then if 200kB / sec you get
    16 MB/sec...... not even bad.
    Optimizing would bring that to (I think I have seen 800kB/s reported
    in SPI)
    64 MB /sec read....
    So that would use _very_simple logic, why keep to any spec... your own
  17. Antti

    Antti Guest

    the OP was talking about device that

    1) is FULLY ATA compliant
    2) is FULLY SD Card compliant
    3) uses 2 SD cards both in 4 bit mode to maximize speed

    this has nothing todo with "own spec" and SPI mode

  18. Oops, divide by 10 please ...
    Still 6.4 MB/sec would be usable...
  19. I do not care what OP was talking about, I _do_ care how I could do it.
    SDcard spec is expensive you know?
    WTF do I need it for if it can be done in an other way.
    We were looking for _cheap_ solutions right? Else you just buy a flash disk.
  20. Antti

    Antti Guest

    WTF ?!

    _cheap_ things do not have to be shit, or am I mistaken here?

    the 8*SPI in parallel is hardly more expensive in hardware terms then
    proper design.

    besides the SPI parallel trick need read sync as even same card will
    not respond with same clock cycle delay to read commands, so the clock
    lines need separate steering. It way more reasonable to make device
    that runs 2 SD card in parallel (in 4 bit mode)

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