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  1. Outback OZ

    Outback OZ Guest

    G'Day, I am new here but am in need of help and this looked like just
    the place to get it - I hope ;<}

    I have an Amtel (French) CCD camera and a DATA Translation DT3157
    frame grabber PCI board. The problem I have is that I can not get a
    ready made cable to connect them. Atmel says talk to DT and DT says we
    can not tell you what pin connects to what pin BUT they can make me
    one for about $900.

    I have the manuals and pin out lists for both the camera and the card
    but with my VERY limited knowledge of these things have only managed
    to work out a few of the more obvious connections like data, ground
    and power.

    What I need is someone to be able to work out a pin x to pin x type
    list so I can then make up the cable.

    Any help would earn my unending gratitude as I have been trying for
    months to get this information.

    Cheers - Tony Evans
     
  2. What is the camera model number?

    Cheers
     
  3. Outback OZ

    Outback OZ Guest

    What is the camera model number?
    its a Cameilian 2.5Meg - I have the pin outs for both and have listed
    them below - Cheers
    Tony

    Connections/pin outs/ins for the Data Translation FG board

    The video input connector, J1, on the DT3157 is a SCSI-II 68-pin,
    subminiature 'D' shell connector that accepts the digital input
    signals
    using cables from Data Translation or cables that you design. Figure 7
    illustrates the J1 connector pin orientation.

    1 Ground
    2 AD0 (+) (MSB)
    3 AD1 (+)
    4 AD2 (+)
    5 AD3 (+)
    6 AD4 (+)
    7 AD5 (+)
    8 AD6 (+)
    9 AD7 (+)
    10 AD8 (+) or BD0 (+)
    11 AD9 (+) or BD1 (+)
    12 Ground
    13 AD10 (+) or BD2 (+)
    14 AD11 (+) or BD3 (+)
    15 AD12 (+) or BD4 (+)
    16 AD13 (+) or BD5 (+)
    17 DIG_IO0
    18 DIG_IO2
    19 AD14 (+) or BD6 (+)
    20 AD15 (+) or BD7 (+)
    (LSB)
    21 External Trigger In
    22 Reserved
    23 Reset Out (+)
    24 Frame Enable Out (+)
    25 Frame Enable In (+)
    26 Line Enable In (+)
    27 Line Enable Out (+)
    28 Pixel Clock Out (+)
    29 Pixel Clock In (+)
    30 Expose (+) or SHUT(+)
    31 DIG_IO4
    32 DIG_IO5
    33 DIG_IO6
    34 Ground
    35 Ground
    36 AD0 ( ) (MSB)
    37 AD1 ( )
    38 AD2 ( )
    39 AD3 ( )
    40 AD4 ( )
    41 AD5 ( )
    42 AD6 ( )
    43 AD7 ( )
    44 AD8 ( ) or BD0
    45 AD9 ( ) or BD1
    46 Ground
    47 AD10 ( ) or BD2
    48 AD11 ( ) or BD3
    49 AD12 ( ) or BD4
    50 AD13 ( ) or BD5
    51 DIG_IO1
    52 DIG_IO3
    53 AD14 ( ) or BD6
    54 AD15 ( ) or BD7
    (LSB)
    55 Ground
    56 Reserved
    57 Reset Out ( )
    58 Frame Enable Out ( )
    59 Frame Enable In ( )
    60 Line Enable In ( )
    61 Line Enable Out ( )
    62 Pixel Clock Out ( )
    63 Pixel Clock In ( )
    64 Expose ( ) or SHUT( )
    65 Ground
    66 Ground
    67 DIG_IO7
    68 Ground
    If needed more data can be got at - http://www.datx.com/support/img-mv.htm
    Model number is DT3157 for search.

    Connections/pin outs/ins for the Amtel camellia 2.5meg Camera
    3.1 ''DATA AND SYNC'' CONNECTOR
    50 points 3M connector.
    ¨ connector reference :HIROSE DX10A-50S.
    ¨ mating connector on cable side : HIROSE DX40-50P ; shell : HIROSE
    DX50-CV1.

    Pin n° Signal
    1 PCK+
    2 PCK-
    3 FEN+
    4 FEN-
    5 COLOUR_O2+ (1)
    6 COLOUR_O2-(1)
    7 PDATA0+
    8 PDATA0-
    9 PDATA2+
    10 PDATA2-
    11 PDATA4+
    12 PDATA4-
    13 PDATA6+
    14 PDATA6-
    15 PDATA8+
    16 PDATA8-
    17 PDATA10+
    18 PDATA10-
    19 GROUND
    20 GROUND
    21 SHUTTER+
    22 SHUTTER-
    23 COLOUR_I1+(1)
    24 COLOUR_I1-(1)
    25 NC
    26 LEN+
    27 LEN-
    28 COLOUR_O1+ (
    29 COLOUR_O1-(1)
    30 GROUND
    31 GROUND
    32 PDATA1+
    33 PDATA1-
    34 PDATA3+
    35 PDATA3-
    36 PDATA5+
    37 PDATA5-
    38 PDATA7+
    39 PDATA7-
    40 PDATA9+
    41 PDATA9-
    42 PDATA11+
    43 PDATA11-
    44 NC
    45 NC
    46 TRIG_ITC+
    47 TRIG_ITC-
    48 COLOUR_I2+(1)
    49 COLOUR_I2-(1)
    50 NC
    If needed more data can be got at - http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/camelia25m.pdf
     
  4. Rich Grise

    Rich Grise Guest

    Please show us (if you don't have a scanner or digital camera, you can
    get it scanned at Kinko's and the like) and we'll be more able to assist.

    Cheers!
    Rich
     
  5. Outback OZ

    Outback OZ Guest

    Hi, I have both but what do you want me to show you? - Tony
     
  6. Rich Grise

    Rich Grise Guest

    Ideally, the schematics and operation manual of both devices, so we can
    figure out which pin should connect to which, or even if it's feasible.

    Since you're posting from google, you can't access the binaries, so you'll
    have to find a website somewhere that lets you upload pictures - most ISPs
    that I know of come with a few megabytes of webspace; unfortunately,
    you're kind of on your own as far as finding, and posting to, one of
    these places.

    Thanks,
    Rich
     
  7. Outback OZ

    Outback OZ Guest

    The whole PDF files are availible on line at :-

    http://www.datx.com/support/img-mv.htm
    use DT3157 for search

    Camera - User guide -
    http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/camelia25m.pdf

    Cheers - Tony
     
  8. its a Cameilian 2.5Meg - I have the pin outs for both and have listed
    them below - Cheers
    Tony

    Connections/pin outs/ins for the Data Translation FG board

    The video input connector, J1, on the DT3157 is a SCSI-II 68-pin,
    subminiature 'D' shell connector that accepts the digital input
    signals
    using cables from Data Translation or cables that you design. Figure 7
    illustrates the J1 connector pin orientation.

    1 Ground
    2 AD0 (+) (MSB)
    3 AD1 (+)
    4 AD2 (+)
    5 AD3 (+)
    6 AD4 (+)
    7 AD5 (+)
    8 AD6 (+)
    9 AD7 (+)
    10 AD8 (+) or BD0 (+)
    11 AD9 (+) or BD1 (+)
    12 Ground
    13 AD10 (+) or BD2 (+)
    14 AD11 (+) or BD3 (+)
    15 AD12 (+) or BD4 (+)
    16 AD13 (+) or BD5 (+)
    17 DIG_IO0
    18 DIG_IO2
    19 AD14 (+) or BD6 (+)
    20 AD15 (+) or BD7 (+)
    (LSB)
    21 External Trigger In
    22 Reserved
    23 Reset Out (+)
    24 Frame Enable Out (+)
    25 Frame Enable In (+)
    26 Line Enable In (+)
    27 Line Enable Out (+)
    28 Pixel Clock Out (+)
    29 Pixel Clock In (+)
    30 Expose (+) or SHUT(+)
    31 DIG_IO4
    32 DIG_IO5
    33 DIG_IO6
    34 Ground
    35 Ground
    36 AD0 ( ) (MSB)
    37 AD1 ( )
    38 AD2 ( )
    39 AD3 ( )
    40 AD4 ( )
    41 AD5 ( )
    42 AD6 ( )
    43 AD7 ( )
    44 AD8 ( ) or BD0
    45 AD9 ( ) or BD1
    46 Ground
    47 AD10 ( ) or BD2
    48 AD11 ( ) or BD3
    49 AD12 ( ) or BD4
    50 AD13 ( ) or BD5
    51 DIG_IO1
    52 DIG_IO3
    53 AD14 ( ) or BD6
    54 AD15 ( ) or BD7
    (LSB)
    55 Ground
    56 Reserved
    57 Reset Out ( )
    58 Frame Enable Out ( )
    59 Frame Enable In ( )
    60 Line Enable In ( )
    61 Line Enable Out ( )
    62 Pixel Clock Out ( )
    63 Pixel Clock In ( )
    64 Expose ( ) or SHUT( )
    65 Ground
    66 Ground
    67 DIG_IO7
    68 Ground
    If needed more data can be got at - http://www.datx.com/support/img-mv.htm
    Model number is DT3157 for search.

    Connections/pin outs/ins for the Amtel camellia 2.5meg Camera
    3.1 ''DATA AND SYNC'' CONNECTOR
    50 points 3M connector.
    ¨ connector reference :HIROSE DX10A-50S.
    ¨ mating connector on cable side : HIROSE DX40-50P ; shell : HIROSE
    DX50-CV1.

    Pin n° Signal
    1 PCK+
    2 PCK-
    3 FEN+
    4 FEN-
    5 COLOUR_O2+ (1)
    6 COLOUR_O2-(1)
    7 PDATA0+
    8 PDATA0-
    9 PDATA2+
    10 PDATA2-
    11 PDATA4+
    12 PDATA4-
    13 PDATA6+
    14 PDATA6-
    15 PDATA8+
    16 PDATA8-
    17 PDATA10+
    18 PDATA10-
    19 GROUND
    20 GROUND
    21 SHUTTER+
    22 SHUTTER-
    23 COLOUR_I1+(1)
    24 COLOUR_I1-(1)
    25 NC
    26 LEN+
    27 LEN-
    28 COLOUR_O1+ (
    29 COLOUR_O1-(1)
    30 GROUND
    31 GROUND
    32 PDATA1+
    33 PDATA1-
    34 PDATA3+
    35 PDATA3-
    36 PDATA5+
    37 PDATA5-
    38 PDATA7+
    39 PDATA7-
    40 PDATA9+
    41 PDATA9-
    42 PDATA11+
    43 PDATA11-
    44 NC
    45 NC
    46 TRIG_ITC+
    47 TRIG_ITC-
    48 COLOUR_I2+(1)
    49 COLOUR_I2-(1)
    50 NC
    If needed more data can be got at -
    http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/camelia25m.pdf


    Is the serial interface a standard text menu system. The data sheet shows no
    commands.

    Cheers
     
  9. Gary Tait

    Gary Tait Guest

    IMO:

    FG Cam
    AD0-11 < PDATA 4-15. You may have to terminate unused data lines. Check
    The datasheet on the FG board.

    Shutter>Trig

    Pixel Clock >PCK
    Freame Enable>FEN
    Line Enable>LEN
     
  10. Outback OZ

    Outback OZ Guest

    Thanks Guys - That gets me a little closer I think.

    Cheers - Tony
     
  11. Hows this ( sorry for the missing pin nuumber space)...

    camelia_25m DT3157
    1 PCK+ 29 Pixel Clock In (+)
    2 PCK- 63 Pixel Clock In (?)
    3 FEN+ 25 Frame Enable In (+)
    4 FEN- 59 Frame Enable In (?)
    5 COLOUR_O2+ (1) DT3157 is monochrome
    6 COLOUR_O2-(1)
    7 PDATA0+ 2 AD0 (+) (MSB)
    8 PDATA0- 36 AD0 (?) (MSB)
    9 PDATA2+ 4 AD2 (+)
    10 PDATA2- 38 AD2 (?)
    11 PDATA4+ 6 AD4 (+)
    12 PDATA4- 40 AD4 (?)
    13 PDATA6+ 8 AD6 (+)
    14 PDATA6- 42 AD6 (?)
    15 PDATA8+ 10 AD8 (+)
    16 PDATA8- 44 AD8 (?)
    17 PDATA10+ 13 AD10 (+)
    18 PDATA10- 47 AD10 (?)
    19 GROUND 1 Ground
    20 GROUND 35 Ground
    21 SHUTTER+ 30 Expose (+) or SHUT(+) Might be TRIG?
    22 SHUTTER- 64 Expose (?) or SHUT(?)
    23 COLOUR_I1+(1)
    24 COLOUR_I1-(1)
    25 NC
    26 LEN+ 26 Line Enable In (+)
    27 LEN- 60 Line Enable In (?)
    28 COLOUR_O1+ (
    29 COLOUR_O1-(1)
    30 GROUND 12 Ground
    31 GROUND 46 Ground
    32 PDATA1+ 3 AD1 (+)
    33 PDATA1- 37 AD1 (?)
    34 PDATA3+ 5 AD3 (+)
    35 PDATA3- 39 AD3 (?)
    36 PDATA5+ 7 AD5 (+)
    37 PDATA5- 41 AD5 (?)
    38 PDATA7+ 9 AD7 (+)
    39 PDATA7- 43 AD7 (?)
    40 PDATA9+ 11 AD9 (+)
    41 PDATA9- 45 AD9 (?)
    42 PDATA11+ 14 AD11 (+)
    43 PDATA11- 48 AD11 (?)
    44 NC
    45 NC
    46 TRIG_ITC+
    47 TRIG_ITC-
    48 COLOUR_I2+(1)
    49 COLOUR_I2-(1)
    50 NC
     
  12. Winfield

    Winfield Guest

    Tony, you may have a serious mismatch. It seems the
    camera presents a digital data output, with 12-bit LVDS
    (low-voltage differential signaling), very nice!, but
    the Data Translation board is an analog-input board,
    judging from pin names (I wasn't able to find the
    manual on their site). Your best bet is to get your
    hands on a proper Camelia FGT board. Happily, digital-
    input boards are much less expensive than analog ones.
     
  13. Outback OZ

    Outback OZ Guest

    And yet still closer - Thanks guys for all your work - Tony
     
  14. Outback OZ

    Outback OZ Guest

    The DT3157 is a digital only board or so the site blurb says????

    cheers
    Tony
     
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