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Ian

Jan 1, 1970
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I have a Bosch Solution alarm "Ultima 880" Australia
To go into my daughters house.

From what I have read, to get 8 sectors out of it,
you need to use "Split EOL resistors" 3k3 & 6k8 1%

Am I correct?

Any hints for install?

Thanks ....Ian
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Ian said:
I have a Bosch Solution alarm "Ultima 880" Australia
To go into my daughters house.

From what I have read, to get 8 sectors out of it,
you need to use "Split EOL resistors" 3k3 & 6k8 1%

Am I correct?

Any hints for install?

Thanks ....Ian


Do you have the manual??
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Ian said:
Yes have manual,
it does need split eol resistors
for the 8 sectors

Thanks Ian


I wouldn't even attempt an installation without the manual. It gives
you minimum wiring requirements, connection and programming
instructions. For anything involving fire detection, it also gives you
the list of compatible detectors. If you're having problems
interpreting sections of the programming instructions (because you're
unfamiliar with the protocols or terminology), feel free to ask for
help. I think you'll find most of your answers in the manual, though.
It may take you a couple of "reads" to get it all. One more thing:
Most manufacturers provide manual addendums (in the form of single or
multiple page sheets packed with the panel/manual). Don't throw them
away! :)
 
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Ian

Jan 1, 1970
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I wouldn't even attempt an installation without the manual. It gives
you minimum wiring requirements, connection and programming
instructions. For anything involving fire detection, it also gives you
the list of compatible detectors. If you're having problems
interpreting sections of the programming instructions (because you're
unfamiliar with the protocols or terminology), feel free to ask for
help. I think you'll find most of your answers in the manual, though.
It may take you a couple of "reads" to get it all. One more thing:
Most manufacturers provide manual addendums (in the form of single or
multiple page sheets packed with the panel/manual). Don't throw them
away! :)
Thanks for the reply Frank.
I installed a similar alarm years back in my own house.
Could have gone a bit foggy since then
You are correct about a few "reads" being needed.
The programing should be ok, a lot of it being
left at its default values. Will document what is changed.
Thankfully there is a lot of documentation about the panel.
Will leave it to someone younger to be crawling
through the roof cavity.

Thank you for your kind offer of help.

Regards ..Ian
 
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Ian

Jan 1, 1970
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I wouldn't even attempt an installation without the manual. It gives
you minimum wiring requirements, connection and programming
instructions. For anything involving fire detection, it also gives you
the list of compatible detectors. If you're having problems
interpreting sections of the programming instructions (because you're
unfamiliar with the protocols or terminology), feel free to ask for
help. I think you'll find most of your answers in the manual, though.
It may take you a couple of "reads" to get it all. One more thing:
Most manufacturers provide manual addendums (in the form of single or
multiple page sheets packed with the panel/manual). Don't throw them
away! :)

Have another question re 880
It supposedly has
4x burglary zones (1-4) 3k3 on delay
and
4x 24 hour zones (5-8) 6k8 on Instant(tamper)

Have 6 x PIR's for in house
Can I make those 24 hour zones be on delay
or do i double up PIR's on the 4 burg zones.

I did try to convince my daughter to get
it installed professionally.

Any help appreciated ...Ian
 
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Jim

Jan 1, 1970
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Have another question re 880
It supposedly has
�4x �burglary zones (1-4) 3k3 on delay
� � � � � � � � � � � and
�4x �24 hour zones �(5-8) �6k8 on Instant(tamper)

Have 6 x �PIR's for in house
�Can I make those 24 hour zones be on delay
or do i double up PIR's on the 4 burg zones.

I did try to convince my daughter to get
it installed professionally.

Any help appreciated ...Ian-

Ian, I'm not familiar with the panel that you're working with but by
virtue of your questions, I do think that you may have taken on
something that may cause you to do a not so good job. You're asking
questions that are at the very basics of alarm installation. It's good
that you're asking questions but the concern is that the questions
that you're not going to know that you should be asking. I'm going to
try to give you an example of what a can of worms your question opens
so that perhaps you'll consider either reading more about the
application of alarm equipment or get a professional in to do it.

Here's just a portion of what a part of your question leads to.
First of all, you should never put more than one motion detector on a
zone. How would you ever know which one was being tripped should you
have false alarms? Secondly, it doesn't seem likely that it's going to
be a good idea to have so many motion detectors in a residence. Which
raises the question are you only trying to protect the house when no
one is home? And if so, why? If you're going to have a security system
shouldn't you be protecting it when the most valuable things are in
it ..... like, when it's occupied, at night, or when your daughter is
home alone? Actually, the only real value of an alarm system when
you're not at home is that it will (hopefully) cause an intruder to
leave quicker and (hopefully) cause them to not be there when your
daughter gets home. Fourth, Motion detctors are the major source of
false alarms, why would you not want to install more stable protection
such as door and window contacts which would give you an alert as
someone is trying to get in, rather than waiting for them to be inside
before they are detected? The earlier the detection the more likely a
deterrent. And with perimiter detection, it's much easier, convenient
and more conducive for your daughter to arm the system when she's at
home.

In my opinion, your questions indicate that you would do yourself a
great favor if you did a lot more research by reading, or called in a
professional. I don't think you're going to get all the facts by just
asking questions here. We'll answer specific questions, but to take
the time ( as I did ..... a little bit above) to make sure you
understand the basics, each time you ask a question, is not going to
happen. As no one is going to take the time to give you an education
in the basics of alarms installation each time your question indicates
that you don't have enough information to begin with. If it's truly
important to try to protect your family, I'd suggest you do it right.

Just my opinion.
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Ian said:
Have another question re 880
It supposedly has
4x burglary zones (1-4) 3k3 on delay
and
4x 24 hour zones (5-8) 6k8 on Instant(tamper)

Have 6 x PIR's for in house
Can I make those 24 hour zones be on delay
or do i double up PIR's on the 4 burg zones.

I did try to convince my daughter to get
it installed professionally.

Any help appreciated ...Ian


You might try reading a bit more here:

http://yoursecuritysource.com/alarmoverviewfaq.htm

Also:

http://yoursecuritysource.com/faqs.htm

Good luck!!
 
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Ian

Jan 1, 1970
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Ian, I'm not familiar with the panel that you're working with but by
virtue of your questions, I do think that you may have taken on
something that may cause you to do a not so good job. You're asking
questions that are at the very basics of alarm installation. It's good
that you're asking questions but the concern is that the questions
that you're not going to know that you should be asking. I'm going to
try to give you an example of what a can of worms your question opens
so that perhaps you'll consider either reading more about the
application of alarm equipment or get a professional in to do it.

Here's just a portion of what a part of your question leads to.
First of all, you should never put more than one motion detector on a
zone. How would you ever know which one was being tripped should you
have false alarms? Secondly, it doesn't seem likely that it's going to
be a good idea to have so many motion detectors in a residence. Which
raises the question are you only trying to protect the house when no
one is home? And if so, why? If you're going to have a security system
shouldn't you be protecting it when the most valuable things are in
it ..... like, when it's occupied, at night, or when your daughter is
home alone? Actually, the only real value of an alarm system when
you're not at home is that it will (hopefully) cause an intruder to
leave quicker and (hopefully) cause them to not be there when your
daughter gets home. Fourth, Motion detctors are the major source of
false alarms, why would you not want to install more stable protection
such as door and window contacts which would give you an alert as
someone is trying to get in, rather than waiting for them to be inside
before they are detected? The earlier the detection the more likely a
deterrent. And with perimiter detection, it's much easier, convenient
and more conducive for your daughter to arm the system when she's at
home.

In my opinion, your questions indicate that you would do yourself a
great favor if you did a lot more research by reading, or called in a
professional. I don't think you're going to get all the facts by just
asking questions here. We'll answer specific questions, but to take
the time ( as I did ..... a little bit above) to make sure you
understand the basics, each time you ask a question, is not going to
happen. As no one is going to take the time to give you an education
in the basics of alarms installation each time your question indicates
that you don't have enough information to begin with. If it's truly
important to try to protect your family, I'd suggest you do it right.

Just my opinion.

At no stage did I say I was going to install an alarm at my
daughters house. Her brother in law is a licenced installer.
The question were for my own benifit.

the only alarm I have installed is my own nearly 10 yrs ago,
and I intend to keep it that way.

....Ian
 
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Jim

Jan 1, 1970
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At no stage did I say I was going to install an alarm at my
daughters house. Her brother in law is a licenced installer.
The question were for my own benifit.

the only alarm I have installed is my own nearly 10 yrs ago,
and I intend to keep it that way.

...Ian-

The following quote from your post was an indicator to me that you
were doing this yourself.
Can * I * make those 24 hour zones be on delay
or do * i * double up PIR's on the 4 burg zones.

I did * try * to convince my daughter to get
it installed professionally.

Any help appreciated ...Ian-

If you were having it installed professionally, I didn't think these
would be questions that you would need to know the answers to. If the
installer is experienced in the full time business of installing alarm
systems, then he will know what a 24 hour zone is and adjust the
programing accordingly. By the way, this was another part (among
others) of your questions that needed explaining that I didn't get
into. A 24 hour zone is just that. A zone that will go into an alarm
condition, 24 hours a day, regardless if the system is armed or not.
Obviously, you don't want that kind of zone definition for anything
like a motion detector.

I'd truly suggest that you do some more reading and try asking your
installer some of these questions. Certainly, it's good that you're
trying to gain some knowledge about the subject, but as you can see,
it requires a little bit more background knowledge than you at first
might expect. Again, we can answer specific questions, but it gets
rather laborious trying to type out detailed background information
prior to answering your questions.
 
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Ian

Jan 1, 1970
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The following quote from your post was an indicator to me that you
were doing this yourself.

Must admit should have used "he"
and was successful

If you were having it installed professionally, I didn't think these
would be questions that you would need to know the answers to. If the
installer is experienced in the full time business of installing alarm
systems, then he will know what a 24 hour zone is and adjust the
programing accordingly. By the way, this was another part (among
others) of your questions that needed explaining that I didn't get
into. A 24 hour zone is just that. A zone that will go into an alarm
condition, 24 hours a day, regardless if the system is armed or not.
Obviously, you don't want that kind of zone definition for anything
like a motion detector.

I'd truly suggest that you do some more reading and try asking your
installer some of these questions. Certainly, it's good that you're
trying to gain some knowledge about the subject, but as you can see,
it requires a little bit more background knowledge than you at first
might expect. Again, we can answer specific questions, but it gets
rather laborious trying to type out detailed background information
prior to answering your questions.
Was more interested in its programming, not laying cables.
Like to know whats going on, what questions to ask.

Thank you ..Ian
 
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