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  1. D from BC

    D from BC Guest

    I remember a couple of years ago seeing a Raytheon career ad in the
    Vancouver Sun (British Columbia, Canada)
    The qualifications were complete techno gibberish..like science
    fiction.
    I guessed their main researcher died (or deported to russia) and the
    job ad was based on finishing cutting edge patent pending research
    that nobody knew anything about..

    We have 2 major beautifully located universities. One with a nude
    beach by the way...anyways .
    My point: There's no local university or tech school that could
    prepare anyone to qualify for this Raytheon job..

    I think Raytheon looks dum for posting a newspaper ad for an obvious
    internal position..

    Why would Raytheon put a career ad in a local paper where probably
    nobody can qualify?
    I don't even think Raytheon has local competition.

    For fun...I went on the Ratheon.ca site..
    There's no Vancouver location anymore!
    D from BC
     
  2. Guest

    Most personnel departments insist that they place job ads, and know
    too little about the jobs to get the techno gibberish right - even
    when engineering writes the ad, they will still insist on editing it
    "to make the message clearer". Pretty much all the personnel people
    I've dealt with haven't known enough to realise how totally clueless
    they were, and I've never found any way of educating them even up to
    that low level.
     

  3. That is like a company advertising for someone with 25 years
    experience running a machine designed three year earlier. They seem to
    think the guy they are replacing did the exact same job, from the day he
    was hired.

    A two way radio shop wanted someone with 10 years experience on a
    particular radio line that had started shipping six years earlier.
    What idiots. HR should go back to being the Personnel department, and
    not hide in their office all day long. they need to spend at least a
    day a week on the production floor, so they know exactly how things
    work.




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  4. D from BC

    D from BC Guest

    I mean the ad was really off beat..
    Something like...
    "
    Raytheon requires an engineer experienced with the GHYU898 tri phase
    units and ZVBXX channel systems.
    Experience in YX98 models and YX99 multi core digital electron
    focusing processors a must.
    "
    + 15 more lines of "in house" gobble d gook....

    WTF! Only the guy that designed this stuff knows this sh!t..
    I was looking for work at the time and the ad was just a slap in the
    face..
    D from BC
     
  5. Robert Baer

    Robert Baer Guest

    When a greedy manager wants to "replace" some mid to high paying slot
    (engineer,IT, etc), they manufacture qualifications and place an ad to
    prove that no local talent is available - thus they can do an H1-B or
    something like that.
    This shit has been happening for over 30 years.
     
  6. Robert Baer

    Robert Baer Guest

    The best method of education is the showing of the egress to them.
     
  7. Robert Baer

    Robert Baer Guest

    ....so apply for that *specific* job and if any awkward questions pop up,
    just cite that for security reasons you cannot answer.
     
  8. D from BC

    D from BC Guest

    H1-B?
    I don't know what that is but I think I can guess..
    Is that a form that allows the hiring of someone who is not a resident
    or citizen..
    It has to be proven that only a foreign person qualifies for the
    position.
    Therefore the bogus career ad.
    100's of locals can apply.
    HR just reads resumes for nothing because no one qualifies.
    Who gets the job...it's low salary Boris from Russia!!

    Or..is it some sort of tax break..?
    D from BC
     
  9. Most likely they already had someone they wanted for the job and were just
    going through the motions. Perhaps he was from overseas and they had to
    pretend to search in Canada just to get a residence permit for him.

    BTW, I still see ads in Vancouver looking for programmers who know all
    technologies and offering $10 / hr. Yeah, right.


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  10. Yes, in the USA.


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  11. D from BC

    D from BC Guest

    Ahhh...I knew something fishy was going on..

    About those programmers..
    It might be that there's too many starving programmers driving the
    salaries down..
    The only 2 professions that make the most money in Vancouver I think
    are surgeons (guessing $150000/year)
    and prostitutes (guessing $180000/year cash! so add 35%)

    It may not be cool but when I get a call for an interview ..my first
    question is "What is the max salary offered?."
    D from BC
     
  12. A place where I worked once advertised for a programmer skilled in Z80
    ASM, PL-Z, Fortran, Cobol, and APL.

    After the ad came out, we realized that the only people on Earth who
    had skills of that mix probably already worked at our place.
     
  13. If anyone applies for a job that has ieee anywhere on their cv then
    their cv get shit tinned by default.
     
  14. Phil Hobbs

    Phil Hobbs Guest

    Close. Governments have labour regulations that require equal treatment
    of qualified applicants, or preference for residents vs foreigners, etc.
    The loophole is "qualified applicants". So when you find the person
    you want to hire, you advertise that person's exact qualifications as
    the non-negotiable minimum requirement, and you get to hire whom you like.

    Cheers,

    Phil Hobbs
     
  15. D from BC

    D from BC Guest


    Fk..nobody told me sh!t like that happens when I went to BCIT.

    I'm going to quote this part for fun:
    "So when you find the person you want to hire, you advertise that
    person's exact qualifications as
    the non-negotiable minimum requirement"

    Hee hee

    Ok...Here's my new VANCOUVER posted Raytheon career ad for Boris in
    Russia.. (Raytheon justs wants Boris...but has to locally advertise.)

    Raytheon has an exciting career opportunity for a electronics design
    technologist with the following qualifications:
    Experience in
    Valdinov Parallel Processing Algorithms
    Familiar with Soviet multilayer component assembly practice
    Viktor center X9 level military electronics training
    Graduate of MIT...(Moscow Institute of Technology )
    Please send resumes to

    .... :p
    D from BC
     
  16. Robert Baer

    Robert Baer Guest

    The only tax break is (eventually) the corporations will get them and
    the peons get to make up the difference (and then some).
     
  17. It's a particular form of American foriegn worker imigration. There is
    no direct Canadian equivalent AFAIK.

    Robert
     
  18. Sounds like Raytheon Canada won the contract for the Pentagon's latest
    high weapons system.
     
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