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  1. Davoud

    Davoud Guest

    Mr. Uh Clem:
    How do I do that -- climb a tree, hide in the bushes? And what do I do
    if I detect one?
    Who gives a rat's kneecaps?
    Aren't such posts kind of their own warning? Why would I want to call
    further attention to them as you have done? Or do you love this sort of
    thing because it makes you feel like a great public servant? Are you
    in fact the perp, like a fireman-arsonist?

    Davoud
     
  2. Noozer

    Noozer Guest

    Just another example that it is way overdue to rewrite most of the protocols
    in use on the internet today. POP3, SMTP, NNTP, DHCP, DNS, etc... all need
    to be more secure. All need to better identify the source and allow admins
    to control what gets onto their networks.
     
  3. Mr. Uh Clem

    Mr. Uh Clem Guest

    1. Ignore them.
    2. Be aware of what is going on so as to post a denial/warning in your
    groups as noted below.
    Good netizens. People who are interested in getting this
    to stop.
    Obviously not. The posts are a trap, they confuse people.
    They annoy people. They trick people into making posts
    such as "This was not sent by me.... I don't know how this
    happened... I have no idea what gives" which have been
    raining in on NANAE by the thousands. Tricked respondents
    are then further confused when their posts disappear. The
    volume and variety of responses implies that the splorgeries
    have been posted all over the place, to the detriment of all.
    Posts on NANAE would be pointless and would stoke the ego of
    the perp. Posts in other groups serve to inoculate the
    groups against the attacks. People will know what is going
    on and the attack will lose its power.
    I want to blunt the attacks. Your remark is uncalled for.
    No. Are you in fact an asshole?

    If you need the obvious spelled out to you further,
    someone else will have to do it. I'm outta this
    thread.


    -- This was not sent by me.... I don't know how this happened... I have
    no idea
    what gives
    Clem
    "If you push something hard enough, it will fall over."
    - Fudd's first law of opposition
     
  4. Guest

    Dude, the guys at NANAE are the good guys. They're sysadmins working
    against spam. NANAE is a clearinghouse for up to date information
    regarding the lastest sources of spam. hipcrime is trying to lower the
    signal to noise ratio and make NANAE less effective through the
    mechanisms Mr. Uh Clem wrote.

    Don't be an dick.

    'cid 'ooh
     
  5. ~

    ~ Guest

    give them a fake address.
     
  6. CJT

    CJT Guest

    .... or their own. Or go on the offensive, and ask for the sales
    drone's home address.
     
  7. Vanguard

    Vanguard Guest


    I've seen this exact post before. It was posted long time ago and
    apparently the OP likes to repeat it, or maybe Wes Groleau decided to
    reply to a really old post. It's old news. Obviously if it is store
    policy where they refuse to sell without an SS number, give them a fake
    one (and make it obviously a fake, like 123-456-0000) or just don't buy
    from them. I've been at the grocery checkout and they wouldn't ring up
    an item at the price they listed on their own shelf, I don't argue, and
    I'll leave the whole mess on their counter so they have the fun of
    putting it all back and I walk away. There are other stores. Let them
    win the argument by losing the sale. Then go call the State Attorney's
    Office to find out how to file a complaint and determine what other
    action you can pursue against them.

    By the way, I've never had Radio Shack ask for an SS number in the 30+
    years that I've purchased from them. They have asked for a telephone
    number which I refuse to divulge. They persist but I refuse and simply
    put it, "Do you want the sale or not?". If I'm paying cash, they don't
    ever get get any personal info. They might claim they need it for
    warranty purposes but the law doesn't require you to register to
    exercise the warranty (you only need to prove at claim time that you
    were the purchaser).
     
  8. CBFalconer

    CBFalconer Guest

    Many states (in the US at least) have laws that on failure to ring
    up the posted or advertised price, the item becomes free. Even
    where the law does not cover all of those cases, many firms have
    such a policy. The irritating thing is when the checker, who goes
    to see if there is such a posting, just rips down the sign and then
    tries to deny everything.
     
  9. Pete

    Pete Guest

    NEVER heard them require a SS#
     
  10. That is either not true, or it was some rouge sales person. It is
    not representative either of the policies of Radio Shack or the
    training that sales people receive at Radio Shack. The only possible
    explination for this is that the guy was filling out a credit app,
    and he asked the clerk to take down the information for him. A
    Dish, Direct TV, or cellular telephone application might require
    a SSI number (since you are applying for credit in those cases), but
    all stores would require the same information. Hardly a Radio
    Shack issue.

    -john-
     
  11. Melissa

    Melissa Guest

    FYI:

    "The following is not copyrighted and the Caucus encourages you to make
    copies and give them to anyone who unlawfully requests your number. …

    "PRIVACY ACT LIMITATIONS ON SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER USAGE

    Since many people objected to extensive loss of privacy which accompanied
    the use of computers, Washington responded by passing the "Privacy Act,"
    Title 5 of the United States Code Annotated 552(a). It states quite simply
    that, "It shall he unlawful… to deny any individual any right, benefit or
    privilege provided by law because of such individual's refusal to disclose
    his Social Security number." Due to it, courts have ruled, in part:

    "Right of privacy is a personal right designed to protect persons from
    unwanted disclosure of personal information..." (CNA Financial Corporation
    v. Local 743, D.C., Ill., 1981, 515F, Supp. 942, III.)

    The District Court in Delaware held that the Privacy Act:

    "Was enacted for [ purpose of curtailing the expanding use of Social
    Security numbers...and to eliminate the threat to individual privacy and
    confidentiality posed by common numerical identifiers." (Doyle V. Wilson,
    D.C., Del., 1982, 529G, Supp. 1343.)

    In the strongly worded Guideline arid Regulations for Maintenance of
    Privacy and Protection of Records on Individuals it is stated:

    "(a) It shall be unlawful...to deny to any individual any right, benefit or
    privilege provided by law because of such individual's refusal to disclose
    his Social Security account number."

    The Privacy Act calls for the following penalty for knowingly violating it:

    "(A) Actual damages sustained by the individual as a result of the refusal
    or failure, but in no case shall a person entitled to recovery receive less
    than the sum of $1,000; and (B) the costs of the action together with
    reasonable attorney fees as determined by the court."

    It is suggested that you take someone with you when you assert your rights
    under the Privacy Act. He or she will witness the incident and testify (if
    necessary) to the facts.

    Courts have ruled that there are only four (4) instances when Social
    Security numbers MUST be used. These are:

    1. For tax purposes
    2. To receive public assistance
    3. To obtain and use a driver's license
    4. To register a motor vehicle

    In any situation not listed above, simply present this document to any
    person who seems to need one. Invite him or her to make a copy. Point out
    the $l,000 penalty that is guaranteed upon judgment that your rights were
    violated under this act. Point out that an individual may personally be
    required to pay the $1,000 if he/she is aware of the Privacy Act and
    refuses to follow it. In Doyle v. Wilson, the court states: "Assuming that
    the plaintiffs refusal to disclose his Social Security number was a clearly
    established right, where defendants could not as reasonable persons have
    been aware or the right and could not have recognized that any effort to
    compel disclosure of number or to deny plaintiff his refund violated
    federal law, damages against defendant were barred." (Doyle v. Wilson,
    D.C., 1982, 529F, Supp 1343.)

    It is quite clear that the individuals must be able to show that they could
    not have been aware of the Privacy Act and could not have possibly realized
    that their actions were in violation of federal law in order to escape the
    $1,000 penalty.

    Courtesy of the Heritage Caucus"

    -- 101 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution", by Claire Wolfe



    --
    Yours In Liberty, Melissa - Colorado, U.S.A.
    http://melissasliberty.blogspot.com/

    The last best hope for liberty, to give the world its first Bill of
    Rights: http://www.UPAlliance.org/billofrights.htm
     
  12. First, the portion of the Privacy Act quoted says, in whole:

    "It shall be unlawful for any Federal, State or local government
    agency to deny to any individual any right, benefit, or privilege
    provided by law because of such individual's refusal to disclose his
    social security account number."

    Note the limitation -- it only restricts a Federal, State or local
    government agency. It does not limit businesses or other private
    concerns. Radio Shack or any other business is welcome to require you
    to provide your SSN, and you're welcome to do business elsewhere if
    you decline to do so.

    - geoff
     
  13. Gnarlodious

    Gnarlodious Guest

    Entity John A. Weeks III spoke thus:
    Excuse me, this story as originally posted by MYSELF on Nov 24 2003 and I
    don't know why it's still circulating.
    I wrote a letter of complaint to Radio Shack's Regional Manager and some
    months later returned to the same store in Santa Fe where I was informed
    that their policy had changed. Customers ordering satellite service are no
    longer required to announce their Social Security Number to all customers in
    the store.

    So drop it.
     
  14. Jim Douglas

    Jim Douglas Guest

    Now is the guy was buying some cell phone on credit it makes sense otherwise
    nope never happened!
     
  15. Paul Nevai

    Paul Nevai Guest

    "Jim Douglas" <> aszonygya:
    :> > But they still argue they need it. Eventually I win or
    :> > I walk out with my money and no product.

    Next time just give my phone and SS#: 1-800-555-5555 and 999-99-9999. I
    don't mind it. /Paul
     
  16. CBFalconer

    CBFalconer Guest

    I prefer to use mine; there is more chance they'll put it into
    their system: 1-area-555-1212 and 123-54-9876.
     
  17. Steve Lidie

    Steve Lidie Guest


    I just say "that's classified". The blank stare goes awaya after a
    few seconds and they ring me up ...
     

  18. No commercial entity can demand your SS number by law. If they do,
    walk out and report them to the SS administration and the local
    state's attorney general's office of consumer protection.

    If that is the number on a driver's license you may need to show that
    for ID but many states are now replacing the SS number with their own
    state-generated number as a matter of privacy. As long as you give
    them the special private number on a driver's ID you have fulfilled
    the obligations under law for ID purposes.

    The number of people who *may* have access to your SS number are very
    limited. Those are the SS administration, a bank when opening an
    account, the state when getting a driver's license or state ID, a
    police officer when seeking ID in the instance of conducting an
    investigation (including a traffic stop), The IRS, and en employer
    when completing forms for the IRS.

    There may be more but the list is limited and I am not an attorney who
    can offer more direction.

    DMK
     
  19. Jack Ferman

    Jack Ferman Guest

    There is a way to access the Social Security death index - genealogists
    use it all the time. I believe you can get to it through Rootsweb. There
    you can see SS#s galore. If you do a search on your surname (or a similar
    spelling of it), you could get thousands. I just give my dad's SS# - he
    has been dead for over 50 years.
     
  20. Jack Ferman

    Jack Ferman Guest

    One thing you need to remember is that SS#s bear a relation to one's
    location and other factors. In other words the first SS# was not
    000-00-0001. Most organizations that put SS#s into a database will have an
    algorithym to detect improper numbers based on the was SSA formulates the
    number.
     
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