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Discussion in 'Hobby Electronics' started by Gingre, Jun 6, 2007.

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  1. Gingre

    Gingre Guest

    Looking for a TAFE or Uni course I can take that covers basic electronics by
    *distance learning*. I know they aren't offered via Open University, but as
    I do have my own electronics lab at home I can do the practicals. Any info
    from anyone.
     
  2. atec 7 7

    atec 7 7 Guest

    Log onto your state tafe site and look.
     
  3. http://www.oten.edu.au/oten/study/courses/coursearea.cfm?r=1107

    Plenty of options by the looks of it.

    More detail on some courses:
    http://www.oten.edu.au/oten/course_admin/cils/366_att1.pdf
    http://www.oten.edu.au/oten/course_admin/cils/338_att1.pdf

    Dave.
     
  4. Terryc

    Terryc Guest

  5. Phil Allison

    Phil Allison Guest

    "Gingre"

    ** These days, what jokingly passes for " basic electronics " training
    consists of countless hours spent learning how to drive circuit simulation
    software that doesn't so you get the same answers some drongo teacher says
    are correct plus tediously programming the latest PIC clone to do something
    totally silly and useless.

    That what interests you ?

    Gotta tell ya that is " basic bollocks".

    Cos basic electronics is best learned by hands on tinkering with simple
    circuits and a CRO.

    Plus a shit load of insatiable curiosity.



    ....... Phil
     
  6. Of course, doing the entire course would take a long time. I presume
    that you can take individual classes if they are running. Or at least
    I believe that used to be the case.
    If you are disciplined and thorough enough then self-learning is a
    fine option, plenty of ways to do that. Depends on your goals though.

    Perhaps the OP can elaborate.

    Dave.
     
  7. Bob Parker

    Bob Parker Guest


    Well put, Phil!
     
  8. Although what Phil said may be true of a lot of what is taught at TAFEs, the
    quality of the education is wide and varied.
    Some TAFEs are totally focussed on just passing students with the bare
    minimum of whatever is needed to "get them over the wire". Many don't focus
    on the good ol' basics, consolidated with meaningful labs to help the
    student understand what is being studied. The parallel analogy is the
    widespread use of calculators, whereby the student believes whatever answer
    comes up on the screen. Doesn't matter if it is correct or even realistic.
    It must be right 'cause the calculator said so.

    As a person from the "old school", I think the current TAFE 50 - 60% pass
    mark is a joke. Albeit circuit simulations have their place, nothing quite
    replaces putting the components of a circuit together, taking the
    measurements with real instruments and trying things out. Try getting Sim
    Circuit to demonstrate to a student what happens to a 0.6W metal film
    resistor when it is dissipating (well for a short while) 10 watts of power.
    Likewise some skills like high reliability soldering aren't particularly
    successful subjects taught by distance education techniques.

    Please don't think I'm completely against distance education - I'm not.
    Some packages can be very effective, provided they are well written,
    illustrated and there is backup support available for the student. Pity
    most are pretty useless as are some instructor led TAFE courses. In many
    cases, the quality of the TAFE module is totally dependant on the lecturer
    and the resources available. Of course, student attitude goes a long way
    too.

    Just a closing comment. Some of us can well remember the good ol' days when
    it took years to get your Diploma in Electronic Engineering. Now the
    "equivalent" can be gained in as little as 135 days of open learning study.
    The industries are primarily to blame for this which has generally lead to a
    lower standard of competence of many TAFE graduates. Many employers see
    training as an overhead expense they would rather not have to shell out for.
    As a consequence they bargained in workplace experience as the filler for
    formal TAFE studies. The reality is most employers don't fulfil their part
    of the bargain and the end result is an apprentice or technician gets
    qualified without really being qualified to do the job.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
  9. Gingre

    Gingre Guest

    Yes, I've got the discipline and the gear (and space and time) but not the
    ability to travel. Must be able to do at home.
     
  10. Gingre

    Gingre Guest

    No, more like basic hardware principles and practicals.
     
  11. Gingre

    Gingre Guest

    I can certainly solder reliably. In fact I suspect I may have most of the
    basic electronic knowledge required. But I am self-taught (over many years)
    and would like to formalise this and fill in those inevitable gaps.
     
  12. You said your aim was to formalise your knowledge, in that case you'll
    have to endure some crap classes to do the entire course. But there
    are some very good classes in the Advanced Diploma level course. If
    you want to actually learn something make sure you pick the good
    fundamental theory classes like Analog Electronics 1-4, Digital
    Electronics 1-3 etc, and not some wank class like Computer
    Peripherals.

    Dave.
     
  13. Sure, there is a lot of that, but there is also a lot of good
    fundamental stuff on offer too. You take the good with the bad in any
    course, be it TAFE or UNI.
    Yep, that should come first, then you can fill in the theory gaps
    later. And when you do the theory it falls into place much quicker
    because you can relate it to the practical stuff you have done.
    Gingre is probably in a good position to do that, if he picks the
    right courses.

    Dave.
     
  14. Terryc

    Terryc Guest

    What I am saying is that in first year you do not touch any electronics
    even though the subject is Electronics Technology.
    OP needs to do correspondence only, which is what I am doing. I've tried
    choosing my subjects every semester, but what arrives in the post is
    almost entirely different.[1]

    Frankly 366 seems to be solely about the power generation field.

    Finally getting some digital stuff this time.

    I haven't found the notes that useful. You will need to chase up other
    texts as they leave gaping holes that are not adequately explained.

    [1] I could attend a couple of Sydney colleges, if I didn't mind
    travelling all the way across Sydney. Also having major trouble getting
    a semester timetable out of any of the ones I've approached.
     
  15. Terryc

    Terryc Guest

    Unless you need a formal qualification, just look at all the suppliers
    of basic electronic kits and purchase them and build them. Usually they
    explain how the circuit works quite well.

    You will have a more practical and useful knowledge.

    However, if you need formal "paper" for work, ask your current/future
    employer what they want.
     
  16. Are you looking at getting the qualification to further your career in
    (or get into) the field?
    If so, which field in particular?

    Dave.
     
  17. My understanding is that many years ago Phil had the opportunity to gain
    formal qualifications (he got a scholarship), but after partially completing
    his studies he dropped out of uni.

    For people already in the electronics industry that just want to gain formal
    qualifications or increase their skill level, there are plenty of avenues to
    go down. Unfortunately finding the right path isn't always that easy.
    There are plenty of mobs out there offering the Earth and delivering bugger
    all. :-( if it's just a paper qualification the OP is after, all he need do
    is check the Yellow Pages. :p

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
  18. Gingre

    Gingre Guest

    No, just for the satisfaction of filling in the gaps and formalising the
    knowledge gained over the years.
     
  19. Phil Allison

    Phil Allison Guest

    "Gingre"

    ** That tells me you have no idea what you actually want to be trained in.

    Electronics is an enormous field, with many separate branches that combined
    have now invaded almost every aspect of business and ordinary life.

    Concentrate your attention on something in particular.

    BTW - you must have a reasonable grasp of maths and physics to final year
    high school level or the whole darn lot will go right over your head.


    ....... Phil
     
  20. In that case I wouldn't bother with the TAFE course, just simply keep
    doing what you enjoy doing. That way you'll spend more time learning
    the stuff you want (and need) to learn, and less time doing the boring
    stuff.
    Plenty of books out there if you want to learn more and "fill in the
    gaps". Go into a TAFE book shop and have a look for starters.
    If you are really keen get some detailed info on the various subjects
    that interest you and follow through the syllabus yourself.

    Or simply see if you can simply do the exact classes you want without
    having to do the whole course.

    Dave.
     
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