Bank of Batteries ?

[Spurious Response]

On 24 Jul 2007, Mike Lyle wrote

On Jul 24, 8:49?am, Spurious Response

I don't need semantical baby bullshit. [...]

You do need some manners, though, and the calmness to read what
Prof. Moylan actually wrote.

Fat chance, methinks....

How did you ever get the moniker of "Prof." and what do you claim to be
a professor of?

 

[tony cooper]

Hell, "HVS" even your supporters cannot construct a properly worded
sentence.

Wha? The sentence is perfectly, and cleverly, constructed. Yours,
though, is missing a cell: a comma. Deduct 1.5 votes.

 

[HVS]

On 24 Jul 2007, Spurious Response wrote

On 24 Jul 2007, Mike Lyle wrote

On Jul 24, 8:49?am, Spurious Response
[...]
I don't need semantical baby bullshit. [...]

You do need some manners, though, and the calmness to read
what Prof. Moylan actually wrote.

Fat chance, methinks....

How did you ever get the moniker of "Prof." and what do you
claim to be
a professor of?

Try again, pookie, and see if you can figure out why a reference to
somebody with the surname "Moylan" might -- just might -- not be a
reference to someone who goes by the initials "HVS".

 

[krw]

I can just picture it. Your sister asks you to change the battery in her
vibrator, and you refuse her this favour because she has used the word
"battery" incorrectly. As a result she has to leave one prick and search
for another.

She has to leave one fake, in search for another.

When I was teaching potential young engineers, I would come down on them
like a ton of bricks if they used technical jargon incorrectly _when it
was important to be precise_. At the same time, if they said they had to
log in to a computer I wouldn't complain that they were typing on a
keyboard and not logging the operation in a log book. If they had to
leave the laboratory for a leak, I wouldn't send them off to the Fluid
Mechanics laboratory. The meaning of a word can depend on context. The
importance of precision also depends on context. Using a 22 pF
capacitor when it was supposed to be a 22 nF capacitor is a serious
error when you're constructing an electronic device; but the difference
is unimportant if you're constructing a sculpture out of used parts.

To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the
heaven: a time to use technical language, and a time to use plain
English; a time to get a life, and a time to FOAD. When you have
understood the difference, Grasshopper, you will be just a little closer
to true wisdom.

Dimbulb will never be on the same street as true wisdom but has
market cornered on everything false.

 

[LFS]

Wha? The sentence is perfectly, and cleverly, constructed. Yours,
though, is missing a cell: a comma. Deduct 1.5 votes.

On reflection, I retract the "interestingly" although I do still wonder
why anyone would want to call themselves "Spurious Response". Does the
expression have some technical meaning among electrical engineers? If
not, the poster might like to consider the OED definition:

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1. Of persons: Begot or born out of wedlock; illegitimate, bastard,
adulterous.

b. fig. or in fig. context.

c. Characterized by bastardy or illegitimacy.

d. Supposititious. rare.

2. Having an illegitimate or irregular origin; not properly
qualified or constituted.

3. Superficially resembling or simulating, but lacking the genuine
character or qualities of, something; not true or genuine; false, sham,
counterfeit: a. Of material things.
Freq. in more or less specific use in Anat., Bot., etc.

b. Of qualities, conditions, etc.

c. In the specific names of animals, birds, etc.

d. In medical or pathological use.

4. Of a writing, etc.: Not really proceeding from its reputed
origin, source, or author; not genuine or authentic; forged.

b. Similarly of words or passages.

5. Characterized by spuriousness or falseness.

 

[Peter Duncanson]

The correct label would be and is "Cell". If that label had been used
all these decades, you and any other dope would have no problem referring
to them in that manner, and your discussion here would have a completely
different spin.

The label I mean contains information such as AAA, D, PP3, Lithium,
NiCd, NiMH, Silver Oxide, rechargeable, voltage, capacity, etc.

I just looked at the Batteries pages of an electronics catalogue.

In that, sometimes batteries are called cells, and sometimes cells
are called batteries, but mostly they are all called batteries. This
is absolutely no problem to the consumer or even to a professional.

 

[Evan Kirshenbaum]

On Jul 24, 2:02 am, Spurious Response

Here's a sampling of dictionary definitions from onelook.com, all of
which recognize the extension of the meaning of "battery" to single
cells:

Compact Oxford English Dictionary:
· noun (pl. batteries) 1 a device containing one or more electrical
cells, for use as a source of power.

Merriam-Webster:
b : a group of two or more cells connected together to furnish
electric current; also : a single cell that furnishes electric current
<a flashlight battery>

Cambridge online:
a device that produces electricity to provide power for radios, cars,
etc:

American Heritage Dictionary:
6. Electricity a. Two or more connected cells that produce a direct
current by converting chemical energy to electrical energy. b. A
single cell, such as a dry cell, that produces an electric current.

OED:

10. a. _Galvanism_. An apparatus consisting of a series of cells,
each containing the essentials for producing voltaic electricity,
connected together. Also used of any such apparatus for producing
voltaic electricity, whether of one cell or more.

Google Books shows "single-cell battery" back to 1849 (with hits
throughout the remainder of the century). "One-cell battery" first
shows up in 1857. By the time they were packaged up for consumer
purchase, the usage was already established.

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http://www.kirshenbaum.net/

 

[Charles]

I have since been googling for

Try a dictionary then, not friggin google.
Google is for popular items.

The name "Google" originated from a misspelling of "googol," which refers to
10100 (the number represented by a 1 followed by one-hundred zeros). Having
found its way increasingly into everyday language, the verb, "google", was
added to the Merriam Webster Collegiate Dictionary and the Oxford English
Dictionary in 2006, meaning, "to use the Google search engine to obtain
information on the Internet. Recent and popular interpretation of "google"
is ANY search for information: it is becoming an eponymic verb, just like
"hoover".

 

[Spurious Response]

I placed myself in the group called "electrical engineers": a small
proportion of the population, but that says nothing about being "above
others". Indeed, the fact that you are posting (I assume) from a.e.e.
tends to suggest that there are some EEs who are complete dorks.

Nice jab, dipshit. Missed the mark, however.

EEs are supposed to know this stuff.

One that doesn't, should be doing something else.

Other people might or might not
know it,

No shit? That is true of practically any trivial fact.

and that says nothing about them.

Wow... you got one right.

The President of the USA
probably doesn't know the difference between a battery and a cell, and
he's smarter than ... OK, sorry, bad example.

Ooops... you have reverted back to total retard again.

I'm quite certain, though,
that if I bothered to search I could find, for example, an eminent and
respected historian who doesn't know the difference.

A historian of battles, and scientific advances, and societal advances
throughout history would know of major events in our timeline.

Not many at all, that did not also involve themselves with the
scientific realms would, however, since our society set us up for that
fall decades ago by incorrectly giving single cells the "battery"
moniker, and never correcting the error.

By talking of the average Joe you're talking about a scale that's
practically orthogonal to the technical vs non-technical axis. (If you
don't know what "orthogonal" means, look it up.)

Your IQ just fell ten more point, "professor". Why are you professing
utter stupidity?

Harvey was talking about the newsgroup alt.usage.english, where we take
careful use of language very seriously.

No shit. I knew exactly what the dope was referring to.

"Pedantic" is a compliment in these here parts, stranger.

Except that he was incorrect in his pedantry.

I just can't wait for the flood of retarded kill file edit
announcements from your group's "buddies", "plonking" me and then
telling the world that they did.

The first act is pretty stupid. The announcement is even more
retarded, but I am quite sure that some of you holier than thou twits
will give us a show.

 

[Spurious Response]

Wha? The sentence is perfectly, and cleverly, constructed. Yours,
though, is missing a cell: a comma. Deduct 1.5 votes.

Is everyone in that group as retarded as you are?

Sorry, but "some quite interestingly cross posters..." is NOT correct.

"Some quite interesting cross-posters" would have been right.

What is interesting is that you missed it. I hope you don't represent
the many... Likely more like "the foo".

 

[Spurious Response]

On 24 Jul 2007, Spurious Response wrote

On 24 Jul 2007, Mike Lyle wrote

On Jul 24, 8:49?am, Spurious Response
[...]
I don't need semantical baby bullshit. [...]

You do need some manners, though, and the calmness to read
what Prof. Moylan actually wrote.

Fat chance, methinks....

How did you ever get the moniker of "Prof." and what do you
claim to be
a professor of?

Try again, pookie, and see if you can figure out why a reference to
somebody with the surname "Moylan" might -- just might -- not be a
reference to someone who goes by the initials "HVS".

"pookie"? Yet another Usenet retard. Go back to the kook group,
jackass.

 

[Spurious Response]

I can just picture it. Your sister asks you to change the battery in her
vibrator, and you refuse her this favour because she has used the word
"battery" incorrectly.

Since a vibrator typically utilizes more than one cell in series, I
think someone asking such a thing would be quite correct, as one does not
change only a single cell in devices where a battery of cells are used.

As a result she has to leave one prick and search
for another.

Are you really so utterly stupid as to think that you are not a prick,
dipshit? Also, I am not "with" my sister. She is over 3000 miles away.

That would be strike three for you, dumbfuck.

As a result of your post, you IQ has fallen another ten points. Keep
it up, and plant life will be more intelligent than your retarded ass.

 

[Spurious Response]

When I was teaching potential young engineers, I would come down on them
like a ton of bricks if they used technical jargon incorrectly

Yet another clue that you are likely a very poor teacher.

 

[Spurious Response]

when it
was important to be precise_.

You probably do not even know the difference between "data", and
"information".

 

[Spurious Response]

At the same time, if they said they had to
log in to a computer I wouldn't complain that they were typing on a
keyboard and not logging the operation in a log book.

Even though it DOES get logged, both on computers not on a network
(logged locally), as well as those on a network. Instead of a log book,
it gets added to a "log file" Can you really be that far off the mark of
the very industry you claim to be an instructor in? Do you really have
such problems with accepted industry terms?

Do you make it up as you go along, old man?

 

[Spurious Response]

If they had to
leave the laboratory for a leak, I wouldn't send them off to the Fluid
Mechanics laboratory.

Keerimany! You are a legend in your own mind!

Get over yourself, old man!

 

[Spurious Response]

Using a 22 pF
capacitor when it was supposed to be a 22 nF capacitor is a serious
error when you're constructing an electronic device; but the difference
is unimportant if you're constructing a sculpture out of used parts.

You missed your calling. You should be walking a big city street corner
with a "repent now" sign on.

You seem a "big dope" of the obvious. Need to know what "big dope"
means? Watch the film "All of Me".

 

[Spurious Response]

To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the
heaven: a time to use technical language, and a time to use plain
English; a time to get a life, and a time to FOAD.

Boy, you are on a roll, eh?

Too big of a pussy to actually write **** off and die, dipshit?

Technical jargon should ALWAYS be used when discussing a technical
subject as anything short of using the proper terms results in stupid
situations like not knowing whether to refer to a portable DC power
source as a cell or a battery.

Yes, dumbfuck, it does matter.

How in the HELL did you ever become someone that teaches others?

Un-fucking-real.

 

[Hatunen]

The correct label would be and is "Cell". If that label had been used
all these decades, you and any other dope would have no problem referring
to them in that manner, and your discussion here would have a completely
different spin.

While deporable, it's quite evident that sellers of cells pretty
much know the buying public won't understand what a blister pack
of "1.5V cells" is.

 

[Spurious Response]

. When you have
understood the difference, Grasshopper, you will be just a little closer
to true wisdom.

When you can pluck the reality from my hand, it will be time for you
too actually have a clue, Asswipechunk.