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  1. Harry

    Harry Guest

    Hi again, I recently posted a question looking for plural nouns (MURDER of
    crows, PARLIAMENT of owls, BANK of batteries, etc) but I was seeking only
    technical or engineering terms. Someone posted a reply that a BATTERY is in
    fact a plural noun, for cells (guns etc)! I have since been googling for
    knowledge.

    So the next question is; if I go to the local supermarket to buy an AA
    "battery", should it not be called an "AA cell" since it is a singular, not
    a plural? Yes, I know, this is trivial, but I just want to clarify the
    correct use of the word BATTERY.

    H
     
  2. Yes, it should be called an "AA cell". If you you buy a pack of
    several, it should still not be called a battery -- it is a pack
    of several cells. These cells would become a battery when
    connected together.

    However, the sellers of AA cells are likely to describe them as
    'batteries' because that is the word the majority would use,
    incorrect though it might be.
     
  3. Try a dictionary then, not friggin google. Google is for popular
    items. I am quite sure that discussions on the meanings of words like
    battery garner few hits there. Hell, even wiki covers it right. There
    are more than one search engine out there, ya know.

    http://m-w.com/dictionary/battery

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery

    Engineers and other folks in the industry with any brains at all have
    ALWAYS known the difference between a cell and a battery.

    Consumers, on the other hand, have ALWAYS simply followed what was put
    in their face buy the industry. Some "battery" makers (cell makers) mark
    their packages correctly, some do not.

    Hell, some even state it right in their brand name (DuraCELL).

    Fact is, a single unit is a CELL. A pack of cells is a BATTERY.

    So single cells are cells, and a nine volt, which is a stack of single
    cells in a single package IS a battery.

    A car battery is a package of cells.

    Some of us never experienced this confusion you seem to possess.
     
  4. Not really -- a pack of cells is a pack cells. They could be
    made into a battery by connecting them together.
     

  5. A "pack of cells" such as that which would be found in a nine volt
    battery IS a battery, and they ARE connected together.

    I don't need semantical baby bullshit. I was not referring to a
    blister pack of cells as would be found in a store, like you mentioned
    earlier.

    We are talking about voltage sources, so the reference to "a pack of
    cells" would of course, be referring to their intended method of use, as
    in a four pack of cells in a camera... a battery.

    A bunch of artillery pieces on a transport plane is still a "battery"
    even before it gets to its intended destination and actually gets set up
    as "a battery" of artillery pieces, however, the same is not true of a
    package of cells at the store. I do know the difference.

    Also, even before one closes the "battery door" on a camera, the cells
    inserted into STILL constitute a battery, even before the door is closed,
    and they actually become connected together. So it is more about
    intended purpose or use, than actual configuration at the time of
    observation.

    Sheesh.
     

  6. Bullshit.

    A single cell is a single cell. A nine volt battery CONTAINS SIX 1.5
    Volt SINGLE CELLS INSIDE in a SERIES CONNECTED STACK, and IS a battery.

    THAT IS the difference.
     
  7. Bullshit. It had to do with delivery of a specific amount of Ampere
    Hour support. Many nine volt applications simply did not require the
    same current draw as lower voltage devices, and in the lower voltage
    class, note that many cell sizes and capacities are made and available.
    Unrelated tripe.

    Even the most lay person, basic electronic/electricity course covers
    cell construction, and the carbon zinc single cell is the primary
    example/tool for such instruction.

    Even a base level dope mechanic knows that each fluid cap on a car
    battery was for filling the individual CELLS within said battery, much
    less the bright mechanics.
     
  8. Still, consistent package labeling over the years would have conveyed
    such information, without doubt.

    Do you know what the construction of the old 72 Volt lamp/B+ batteries
    were? Are you gonna tell us that it was 48 1.5 cells in a stack? (It was)

    Also, placing yourself above the average Joe makes you less than an
    average Joe. Nice job.

    Most average Joe's are fairly capable of discerning more "technically
    savvy" information than you might (apparently do) think.
     

  9. Parallel or series, if more than one cell is used, it STILL constitutes
    a battery. It makes no difference what the final voltage of a given
    configuration is. If it is a multiple cell configuration, it IS a
    battery. If it is a single unit, it IS a cell. There are no exceptions.

    http://m-w.com/dictionary/battery
     

  10. Even then, when they were wrapped in card stock paper, they were "less
    obvious".

    The fact is that the marketing arms of the manufacturers are to blame for
    the shift in what everyday folks call their portable, chemically based DC
    voltage sources.
     
  11. HVS

    HVS Guest

    On 24 Jul 2007, Spurious Response wrote
    Where did Peter say anything at all about the "average Joe"?

    He mentioned "many people" and "non-technical people"; averages --
    or even majorities -- weren't cited or implied.

    Posters to this group tend to choose their language carefully, and
    it's thus reasonable to assume that Peter was referring to "many"
    "non-technical" people when he wrote those terms, rather than to
    "an average Joe".
     

  12. Yes, and the convention IS that a single unit is a cell, and any array,
    whether packaged together or assembled together in their destination
    device is a BATTERY of cells.

    THAT IS the convention in the electronics industry, and the rest of the
    world, as well as any in our realm that believe otherwise is faltering,
    not us.
     
  13. Sure was. He placed himself above others in his remarks, and that IS
    the inference. Try again.
    Apparently not, and some apparently do not interpret it very carefully
    either as is shown by your post here.

    It is not reasonable. What IS reasonable is to assume that my
    expression was and is synonymous with his, which it quite clearly is.

    Perhaps except to pedantic, tunnel visional dolts.
     
  14. HVS

    HVS Guest

    On 24 Jul 2007, Spurious Response wrote
    [shrug]

    It's marginally amusing to watch posters like you trying to defend
    their sloppy reading, writing, and thinking skills.
     
  15. LFS

    LFS Guest

    Cross-posting sometimes throws up some quite interestingly cross
    posters, doesn't it?
     
  16. They do. But let's look at the Duracell website:

    http://www.duracell.co.uk/Shop/duracellplusaa.html

    There is an image of a blister pack of 4 AA cells.
    The text says:

    DURACELL PLUS AA BATTERIES
    (Pack Of 4)

    Some of the people replying here are reading this thread in
    alt.usage.english (Peter Moylan, HVS and me, at least).

    We are well aware of differences of wording between technical
    terminology and the common names for things.

    Duracell use the common name "battery".

    Consumers do not need to know the difference between a cell and a
    battery. They just need to buy an item with the correct label.

    It is simple and straightforward for the consumer for all
    purchasable items of this type to be called batteries.
     
  17. 1. These are properly known as collective nouns, not plural nouns.

    2. The word battery is itself a collective noun (for battery of cells,
    cf. the army term battery of guns.) Early domestic radio receivers
    (approx. 1925) required low-voltage direct current, which was
    supplied by an acid-filled device that had to be recharged at
    intervals. Only in the 1930s was circuitry marketed so that a
    receiver could generate its own DC voltage internally.

    The modern automobile battery still exemplifies the word.
    It is still a set of interconnected acid-filled cells, i.e. a
    battery of cells.
     
  18. HVS

    HVS Guest

    On 24 Jul 2007, Mike Lyle wrote
    Fat chance, methinks....
     

  19. Hell, "HVS" even your supporters cannot construct a properly worded
    sentence.
     

  20. The correct label would be and is "Cell". If that label had been used
    all these decades, you and any other dope would have no problem referring
    to them in that manner, and your discussion here would have a completely
    different spin.
     
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