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Fred Bloggs

Jan 1, 1970
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Recent research published in Nature and Science has demonstrated that
the H5N1 bird flu virus is capable of cell fusion reception only with a
particular subset of cell to be found in deep lung tissue, hence
explaining the improbability of transmission between humans as this
location is not exposed by inhalation of cough or sneeze borne virus.
The common strains of influenza are capable of cell fusion with tissue
to be found in the upper respiratory track and are therefore highly
communicable. It is not known by what mechanism the H5N1 would have to
genetically mutate in order to fuse with the kinds of receptors to be
found in the upper respiratory track, but there is general agreement
that it will make for a major change in the viral structure. It has also
been determined that the H5N1 has been in existence for a very long time
which evidence supports the belief that this virus does not mutate easily.
 
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Fred Bloggs

Jan 1, 1970
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Fred said:
Recent research published in Nature and Science has demonstrated that
the H5N1 bird flu virus is capable of cell fusion reception only with a
particular subset of cell to be found in deep lung tissue, hence
explaining the improbability of transmission between humans as this
location is not exposed by inhalation of cough or sneeze borne virus.
The common strains of influenza are capable of cell fusion with tissue
to be found in the upper respiratory track and are therefore highly
communicable. It is not known by what mechanism the H5N1 would have to
genetically mutate in order to fuse with the kinds of receptors to be
found in the upper respiratory track, but there is general agreement
that it will make for a major change in the viral structure. It has also
been determined that the H5N1 has been in existence for a very long time
which evidence supports the belief that this virus does not mutate easily.

That should be upper respiratory *tract*, # [n] a system of body parts
that together serve some particular purpose .
 
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Frank Bemelman

Jan 1, 1970
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Fred Bloggs said:
Fred said:
Recent research published in Nature and Science has demonstrated that
the H5N1 bird flu virus is capable of cell fusion reception only with a
particular subset of cell to be found in deep lung tissue, hence
explaining the improbability of transmission between humans as this
location is not exposed by inhalation of cough or sneeze borne virus.
The common strains of influenza are capable of cell fusion with tissue
to be found in the upper respiratory track and are therefore highly
communicable. It is not known by what mechanism the H5N1 would have to
genetically mutate in order to fuse with the kinds of receptors to be
found in the upper respiratory track, but there is general agreement
that it will make for a major change in the viral structure. It has also
been determined that the H5N1 has been in existence for a very long time
which evidence supports the belief that this virus does not mutate easily.

That should be upper respiratory *tract*, # [n] a system of body parts
that together serve some particular purpose .

Ok, but why is that bad news for the French?
 
Frank said:
Fred Bloggs said:
Fred said:
Recent research published in Nature and Science has demonstrated that
the H5N1 bird flu virus is capable of cell fusion reception only with a
particular subset of cell to be found in deep lung tissue, hence
explaining the improbability of transmission between humans as this
location is not exposed by inhalation of cough or sneeze borne virus.
The common strains of influenza are capable of cell fusion with tissue
to be found in the upper respiratory track and are therefore highly
communicable. It is not known by what mechanism the H5N1 would have to
genetically mutate in order to fuse with the kinds of receptors to be
found in the upper respiratory track, but there is general agreement
that it will make for a major change in the viral structure. It has also
been determined that the H5N1 has been in existence for a very long time
which evidence supports the belief that this virus does not mutate easily.

That should be upper respiratory *tract*, # [n] a system of body parts
that together serve some particular purpose .

Ok, but why is that bad news for the French?

Fred probably wanted Jim Thompson to read it.
 
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Paul Hovnanian P.E.

Jan 1, 1970
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Fred said:
Recent research published in Nature and Science has demonstrated that
the H5N1 bird flu virus is capable of cell fusion reception only with a
particular subset of cell to be found in deep lung tissue, hence
explaining the improbability of transmission between humans as this
location is not exposed by inhalation of cough or sneeze borne virus.
The common strains of influenza are capable of cell fusion with tissue
to be found in the upper respiratory track and are therefore highly
communicable. It is not known by what mechanism the H5N1 would have to
genetically mutate in order to fuse with the kinds of receptors to be
found in the upper respiratory track, but there is general agreement
that it will make for a major change in the viral structure. It has also
been determined that the H5N1 has been in existence for a very long time
which evidence supports the belief that this virus does not mutate easily.

I saw this posted somewhere else, but I can't recall the source:

The tiger says, "When I roar, the jungle quakes."

The bear says, "When I growl, the forest shudders."

The chicken says, "When I sneeze, the world shits itself."
 
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Ian Stirling

Jan 1, 1970
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Fred Bloggs said:
Recent research published in Nature and Science has demonstrated that
the H5N1 bird flu virus is capable of cell fusion reception only with a
particular subset of cell to be found in deep lung tissue, hence
explaining the improbability of transmission between humans as this
location is not exposed by inhalation of cough or sneeze borne virus.

Bad news for the chinese/vietnamese/...
France, even if every bird gets it is not going to be nearly as badly
hit as china, for the simple reason that in france, it's comparatively
rare to have chickens running around the kitchen.

The mutation needs a human to be infected with bird flu, then for the
virus to mutate in them.
Human infection only readily happens in conditions of very bad
sanitation.

Flu could be greatly reduced by 'simply' raising the living conditions
of the hundreds of millions of people living with farm animals in their
houses.
 
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Fred Bloggs

Jan 1, 1970
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Frank said:
Fred said:
Recent research published in Nature and Science has demonstrated that
the H5N1 bird flu virus is capable of cell fusion reception only with a
particular subset of cell to be found in deep lung tissue, hence
explaining the improbability of transmission between humans as this
location is not exposed by inhalation of cough or sneeze borne virus.
The common strains of influenza are capable of cell fusion with tissue
to be found in the upper respiratory track and are therefore highly
communicable. It is not known by what mechanism the H5N1 would have to
genetically mutate in order to fuse with the kinds of receptors to be
found in the upper respiratory track, but there is general agreement
that it will make for a major change in the viral structure. It has also
been determined that the H5N1 has been in existence for a very long time
which evidence supports the belief that this virus does not mutate
easily.

That should be upper respiratory *tract*, # [n] a system of body parts
that together serve some particular purpose .


Ok, but why is that bad news for the French?

Aventis Pasteur is gearing up for a huge market- selling the better
fraction of a billion doses of the vaccine world-wide, and sole source
for Europe and North America. Now that the real risk can be better
quantified scientifically, there may be a significant reduction in orders.
 
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Fred Bloggs

Jan 1, 1970
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Ian said:
Bad news for the chinese/vietnamese/...
France, even if every bird gets it is not going to be nearly as badly
hit as china, for the simple reason that in france, it's comparatively
rare to have chickens running around the kitchen.

The mutation needs a human to be infected with bird flu, then for the
virus to mutate in them.
Human infection only readily happens in conditions of very bad
sanitation.

Flu could be greatly reduced by 'simply' raising the living conditions
of the hundreds of millions of people living with farm animals in their
houses.

Right- they must be catching it through the feces or blood. I wonder if
the eggs are contaminated with virus.
 
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Fred Bloggs

Jan 1, 1970
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Spehro said:
Frank said:
"Fred Bloggs" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht


Fred Bloggs wrote:


Recent research published in Nature and Science has demonstrated that
the H5N1 bird flu virus is capable of cell fusion reception only with a
particular subset of cell to be found in deep lung tissue, hence
explaining the improbability of transmission between humans as this
location is not exposed by inhalation of cough or sneeze borne virus.
The common strains of influenza are capable of cell fusion with tissue
to be found in the upper respiratory track and are therefore highly
communicable. It is not known by what mechanism the H5N1 would have to
genetically mutate in order to fuse with the kinds of receptors to be
found in the upper respiratory track, but there is general agreement
that it will make for a major change in the viral structure. It has also
been determined that the H5N1 has been in existence for a very long time
which evidence supports the belief that this virus does not mutate

easily.


That should be upper respiratory *tract*, # [n] a system of body parts
that together serve some particular purpose .


Ok, but why is that bad news for the French?

Aventis Pasteur is gearing up for a huge market- selling the better
fraction of a billion doses of the vaccine world-wide, and sole source
for Europe and North America. Now that the real risk can be better
quantified scientifically, there may be a significant reduction in orders.


I recently heard a US pharmaceutical company being plugged on one of
the financial channels, because of H5N1. Gilead Sciences. Hmmm...

They have two things going against them, the risk is far lower than
initial estimate, and the vaccine may not work on the mutated virus, if
it's even virulent enough to require vaccination of the general
population versus a much smaller number comprised of health workers, the
old and infirm, and the very young.
 
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Spehro Pefhany

Jan 1, 1970
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Frank said:
Fred Bloggs wrote:

Recent research published in Nature and Science has demonstrated that
the H5N1 bird flu virus is capable of cell fusion reception only with a
particular subset of cell to be found in deep lung tissue, hence
explaining the improbability of transmission between humans as this
location is not exposed by inhalation of cough or sneeze borne virus.
The common strains of influenza are capable of cell fusion with tissue
to be found in the upper respiratory track and are therefore highly
communicable. It is not known by what mechanism the H5N1 would have to
genetically mutate in order to fuse with the kinds of receptors to be
found in the upper respiratory track, but there is general agreement
that it will make for a major change in the viral structure. It has also
been determined that the H5N1 has been in existence for a very long time
which evidence supports the belief that this virus does not mutate
easily.

That should be upper respiratory *tract*, # [n] a system of body parts
that together serve some particular purpose .


Ok, but why is that bad news for the French?

Aventis Pasteur is gearing up for a huge market- selling the better
fraction of a billion doses of the vaccine world-wide, and sole source
for Europe and North America. Now that the real risk can be better
quantified scientifically, there may be a significant reduction in orders.

I recently heard a US pharmaceutical company being plugged on one of
the financial channels, because of H5N1. Gilead Sciences. Hmmm...


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
 
Ian said:
Flu could be greatly reduced by 'simply' raising the living conditions
of the hundreds of millions of people living with farm animals in their
houses.

You, homebreaker, are asking the Welsh and New Zealanders to abandon a
way of life they have enjoyed for centuries.
 
You, homebreaker, are asking the Welsh and New Zealanders to abandon a
way of life they have enjoyed for centuries.

I think you are being rude about Maori's - who are the only people who
have lived in New Zealand for more than two centuries, and they didn't
bring chickens with them when they sailed in from Polynesia.

I can't say that the Welsh emmigrants that I met in the U.K. seemed to
feel any need to keep chickens in the house either, but that might have
been what motivated them to emmigrate in the first place,
 
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Paul Burke

Jan 1, 1970
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I can't say that the Welsh emmigrants that I met in the U.K. seemed to
feel any need to keep chickens in the house either,

The Welsh only let the sheep into the bedroom at bedtime.

(runs to cover).
 
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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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I think you are being rude about Maori's - who are the only people who
have lived in New Zealand for more than two centuries, and they didn't
bring chickens with them when they sailed in from Polynesia.

I can't say that the Welsh emmigrants that I met in the U.K. seemed to
feel any need to keep chickens in the house either, but that might have
been what motivated them to emmigrate in the first place,

My uncle, Dick Wigley (RIP) was a Welsh farmer (In Minnesota; the Valley
of the Jolly Green Giant), but they were so rich that they built a whole
separate house for the chickens. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich
 
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