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Hi,

I was thinking the other day, that rather then pay $35 a month for ADT
to baby sit me, I could dump them, and have the system call my
cellphone if the alarm goes off.

I'm sure other people have thought of this, is there a online reference
as to how to program my alarm system to do this?

I have the Ademco
"VIA-30PSE, VISTA-10SE"
thats what it says on the cover of the manual.

The manual says "If the paging feature has been programmed for your
system...." makes it sound like i just need to program it to add the
paging feature.

Any help would be great!

Thanks!
 
just buy a phone dialer, such as the AD-2000. You can program it to
call cellphones, pagers, and any phone numbers. It is an add on so it
can be added to any alarm panel (well at least I have used it with the
Ademco Panels).

Paging feature only works for a pager, and only on some Ademco Panels.
It has never been apart of the SE series in the past, but I think the P
series have it now. But like I said above, to call a cell phone, or any
phone at that, you will need a Phone Dialer.

Rory
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi,

I was thinking the other day, that rather then pay $35 a month for ADT
to baby sit me, I could dump them, and have the system call my
cellphone if the alarm goes off.

Probably because you're under contract to them for a certain period of time.
Breaking it means they either come and get their equipment and charge you
with the balance of the term, or simply forget about the equipment and
*still* charge you for the balance of the term.

I'm sure other people have thought of this, is there a online reference
as to how to program my alarm system to do this?

You'll need access to the programming manual for your panel and the
installers code. Then you have to ascertain whether-or-not ADT locked the
panel from local programming. Ummmm... Would they unlock it so you can
program your stuff on their equipment?? Not hardly!!

I have the Ademco
"VIA-30PSE, VISTA-10SE"
thats what it says on the cover of the manual.

Vista 10SE is a good solid panel.

The manual says "If the paging feature has been programmed for your
system...." makes it sound like i just need to program it to add the
paging feature.

Give the man a "cee-gar"!

Any help would be great!

You want help to break your contract with another Dealer?? Tsk!!
 
by the way, its very simple to set up. You record pre recorded messages
that you want sent to the phone numbers. What it does is use the output
from the siren, to a relay on the dialer module. That way, whenever the
alarm goes off,it sends messages to the numbers programmed in it.

One thing though, that it CANT do that a central station can do, is
give you zone descriptors of what went off. It just sends what you
recorded. Other than that, like we do with security companies down
here, we install actuall central station devices for them, so the guard
stations get everything we get. But it costs alot ...the dialer is more
feasable for the average user.

Rory
 
rip it off the wall and carry the bugger with yah :)))

BTW, i got out of my contract, nuthing to do with alarms, etc, it was a
martial arts studio, never knew I had to read the fine print to join
that kind of thing, well, I just told them I had left the country,
which I had, well, after a while anyway ... never heard from them again
ofcourse ... :)))))
 
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Paul

Jan 1, 1970
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Thats a great idea.
Of course Im sure you'll never be in a poor signal area with your mobile
phone, which means you'll never miss out on receiving a signal.

Also you'll know when the powers failed or when the battery has gone flat.

There are quite a few benefits of using a proper control room to process
your alarm signals.

Paul
 
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Joe

Jan 1, 1970
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I use the paging feature on my system in conjunction with monitoring.
I don't know that you will get any sort of readable message on a cell
phone.

I have an actual pager and it sends me a coded message letting me know
partition, zone and type of signal (ie an alarm on zone 2 would come
through "911-1002")

I don't think even text messaging on a cell would suffice. If you are
going to try this then get a pager. Although I would encourage you to
have monitoring. Also, find out what lack of monitoring would do to
your homeowners rate. If I stop monitoring I lose my 15% discount.

I mainly use it so I know that my kids got home from school (it pages me
when it is disarmed by one of their codes)

That being said, if you are still under contract it may be expensive to
quit. ADT (around here) is notorious for locking out panels and don't
expect them to help you get into programming, although there are ways.

Also, it is more than just programming "in" the pager, you also have to
program "out" their reciever and account info.

Good luck
 
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Bob Worthy

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi,

I was thinking the other day, that rather then pay $35 a month for ADT
to baby sit me, I could dump them, and have the system call my
cellphone if the alarm goes off.

I am just sort of interested in what you would do if in fact you did receive
and alarm on your cell phone. What action would you take while at work or on
vacation or in that important meeting when all phones are off? Hopefully you
are not having any smoke or heat detectors monitored with this type of
notification in mind. This feature has its place but as a primary or only
means of notification, you might want to think about it. If you own the
system, which you will have to read the contracts fine lines to find out, I
am sure that $35 dollars is negotiable with a local company. When reading
your contract don't be misled by the term "installation fee" as meaning
ownership.

Bob4Secur
 
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Beachcomber

Jan 1, 1970
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I am just sort of interested in what you would do if in fact you did receive
and alarm on your cell phone. What action would you take while at work or on
vacation or in that important meeting when all phones are off? Hopefully you
are not having any smoke or heat detectors monitored with this type of
notification in mind. This feature has its place but as a primary or only
means of notification, you might want to think about it. If you own the
system, which you will have to read the contracts fine lines to find out, I
am sure that $35 dollars is negotiable with a local company. When reading
your contract don't be misled by the term "installation fee" as meaning
ownership.

Bob4Secur

Here in Washington St. and Oregon, the cops are so fed up with false
alarms they won't even respond anymore, in most cases. Others are
given last priority, even if the alarm was called in from a monitoring
service.

For my business, I bought a two channel Radio Shack voice dialer that
dials up to 4 numbers in response to voltage or contact closure. A
lot of Radio Shack stuff is crap, but this device actually works
pretty good. I have it call my cell phone and I have a record of the
incoming call in the cell phones time stamp. It will also work with
an alphanumeric pager and display touch tone codes like #1 for
burglary - #2 for fire etc.

If an alarm goes off, I can call the office and my answering machine
has a listen-in function to help me decide what further action to
take. Some outgoing dialers also have this function.

It's not a UL 24-7 365 solution to every alarm problem, but for zero
ongoing costs, its a pretty good deal.

Beachcomber
 
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.........

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi,

I was thinking the other day, that rather then pay $35 a month for ADT
to baby sit me, I could dump them, and have the system call my
cellphone if the alarm goes off.

Monitoring by professionals is not required just like dyers do as good
the installation job than so called pro's.
Too many false alarms have lead police to a point that they lower the
intervention priority of alarm calls.
Where is the benefit to have pro monitoring?

Initially the cause of police complains about false alarms was that
the systems where installed by non pro's, not reliable they said..
Did the pro's installations improve false alarms, i think so when it
boils down to selecting the appropriate type of sensor (dog present,
sunshine,..), but you can have recommendations/advises also, so why
would a pro installation be better when it boils down to false alarm
system reliability ?

You can make a parallel between installation knowledge and monitoring,
why should you need them?

Let's see how i handle alarms without monitoring ?

First, i prefer a silent alarm approach :
- i don't see who allows himself to involve external persons not
directly involved with a noisy sound/flashlight outside.
There is already enough unwanted noise around;
Its no longer an alarm system according to law when those
external devises are not present, Dyer's welcome.
- i prefer several low volume buzzers, located at multiple
places inside my house, in order to inform the intruder that he
has been detected.
There are enough spare wires in the cables to the
sensors to provide the required alarm signal to small buzzers all
around the protected area's.
- i let the system rings directly to my cell phone. If i like to
have my neighbor's involved, i give them a personal call and
explain them the ongoing problem.
At least i will know who is involved to observe the surrounding and
who look if the police are arriving. No direct intervention;
- second, i let the system call back hiss own phone-line who will
be busy of course (see below for more details).

Is a pro monitoring required ?
The usual arguments of monitoring stations are that they are
available all the time and that you will not receive the alarm call
all the time. Well yes and no..

How do i solve that?
When an alarm is detected it dial my cell phone and the place
where the alarm is originated from, my home. Why ?
Well when i'm not reachable for action (at the theater for instance
or for any other reason) i redirect my alarm phone-line
"conditionally" (when the line is busy) to an alternative person who
agree to take action.
When an alarm goes on, my alarm phone-line is busy, so it redirects.

Why do i not change the phone number in the alarm control panel to
redirect the call?
Redirection by means of a phone is less error risky, it can be done :
- with my home-phone in a semi-automatic manner, the
redirection/cancel data is included and stored in the phone number
to call;
- from my cell phone at any time and place;

So, is so called pro monitoring required?
Do they do a better job whit theyre standard procedures?
Is outside warning (yelling and flashing devices) mandatory?
Are very noisy sirens inside required to disturb intruders?

Well it depends on your choice and how good you will feel
afterwards about the selected solution.
How good will you feel when you select:
- an all included out of your control handling by so called
standard procedure alarm stations or
- when you choise a personal intervention when there is an
alarm going on.
Think it over.

Paul
 
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Mark Leuck

Jan 1, 1970
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Hopefully your neighbor, when he arrives at your home and surprises the
burglar doesn't get attacked by the purp and sue your ass off.

Your system is too full of; if's, conditions and maybies to be reliable.

If your cell phone works, If your phone redirects, If your neighbor is home,
If he decides he wants to get involved...sheesh man. Too many if's for me.

Odd that he doesn't trust wireless systems but has no problems being alerted
by wireless cell phones
 
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Nick Markowitz

Jan 1, 1970
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The 10 SE has pager capabilty you program it in 2nd dialer number and have
to make sure Contact id iis set for first number format

--
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Owner
Markowitz Electic Protection
Private Industry Fire Investigator.
Qualified Electrical- Fire Alarm Contractor
Registered EPA Freon Recovery

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going to enjoy the trip.
 
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Robert L. Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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It might not be Rory at all. Telephone systems and pager services vary from
country to country. Some panels' pager features may work well in one locale
yet fall flat elsewhere. It's also possible that the timing requirements of
the pager services where Rory works are not the same as those used in the
US. Napco systems can notify some pagers but can't seem to function with
others and that's even within the USA.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Mark Leuck

Jan 1, 1970
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the panel doesnt send all signals to it. something like only wireless
opens and closes and certain zones.

What it will and will not send is listed in field *49 options, that is far
different than "hardly ever worked or worked properly"
 
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Mark Leuck

Jan 1, 1970
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Nick Markowitz said:
The 10 SE has pager capabilty you program it in 2nd dialer number and have
to make sure Contact id iis set for first number format

--
Nick Markowitz Jr.
Owner
Markowitz Electic Protection
Private Industry Fire Investigator.
Qualified Electrical- Fire Alarm Contractor
Registered EPA Freon Recovery

If I remember tho the V10SE has to report to a central station before
sending pagers
 
Lynx:

"Will Report Users 5-8, and if using wireless button type devices, will
report the zone number of the arm/disarm button 26-33. ALL OTHER ZONES
AND USERS ARE NOT REPORTED"

Hmmm, so it works, but its useless :)
 
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