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Discussion in 'Security Alarms' started by Barry, Nov 18, 2008.

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  1. Barry

    Barry Guest

    Normally I would post this on comp.home.automation but there seems to be
    very little activity there so I'll try here. I'm looking for a Russound
    CAA66 Audio system with white KP6 controllers. Any suggestions of reliable
    sources to get it? I've googled but just come up with sites I've not heard
    of. Thanks in advance. I know a lot of the people who used to frequent the
    other group also come here. Hope this question is OK here.

    Barry
     
  2. Jim

    Jim Guest

    Are you an end user or a dealer?

    If you're a dealer, you can get it at any alarm or audio distributor.

    If you're an end user, I think that what you are experiencing is that
    Russound along with other manufacturers are beginning to control the
    distribution of their products. People ( dealers) were buying their
    products in quantity and selling them on the Internet at dealer
    pricing. This really pisses dealers off and then they don't use their
    product because they can't make any money on it. Some maufacturers are
    just getting wise enough to learn that they can make more money and
    have less technical calls( from untrained end users) by selling
    through dealers than they can by letting their products be sold direct
    to end users. I know that Proficient audio has been clamping down on
    Internet sales along with a few others.

    What's happening now is that some of these websites will still
    advertise these products but when you get to their site .... the
    product is not in stock, on backorder or whatever, but they've got you
    at their site so you might buy something else.
     
  3. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest


    I'm certain that you can find a local source for the product. Most
    security dealers these days are "into" a whole lot more than just
    motions and keypads. I'd suggest you "start" your search with your
    Yellow Pages.
     


  4. Sounds like thats a way to prop up the price. That stuff is good, but
    expensive.
     
  5. Jim

    Jim Guest

    To me, a dealer, it sounds like a product I'll use because someone is
    watching out for me rather than whoreing themselves to end users. It's
    ok to sell to end users mind you, just not at the same price that I
    have to pay for it.
     
  6. To me, a dealer, it sounds like a product I'll use because someone is
    watching out for me rather than whoreing themselves to end users. It's
    ok to sell to end users mind you, just not at the same price that I
    have to pay for it.




    Agreed, but if the price you have to pay for it and the price I (a
    non-dealer) can get it for are close, then there is someone in the pipe with
    a big markup on your end. Good for you (the middle-man), bad for me (the
    end-user).

    Should I, an 'end-user' (actually an installer, but an 'end-user' for
    argument's sake) have to purchase my High-Def home theater equipment from an
    "authorized" dealer? why? Seems to me if Sony or Bose insisted on only
    "authorized dealers" to sell their products we would all pay much more for
    the unnecessary middle-man overhead. What's different about Russound?
    Nothing especially complicated to sound systems. The setup vis-a-vis sound
    imaging is tricky, but selling the products through an authorized dealer
    does nothing to address that. It simply adds cost to an otherwise
    competitive product.

    And lets get down to the crux of the issue- do you really think they have
    anywhere near $100 in a volume control? Yes, the quality is good, but it
    ain't that good. It's artificially inflated, and the end-user (as well as
    you, the 'authorized dealer') are getting screwed as a result of this
    pricing scheme. Let the market decide what it's worth. This is exactly why
    many American companies aren't competitive. Too many hands in the cookie
    jar, and schemes to pump up the profit to obscene levels to keep the
    shareholders happy. It's a non-sustainable concept that is difficult to
    understand, even for a Capitalist like me, if a company wants to remain a
    player long-term and not be forced out by cheap crap.
     
  7. Jim

    Jim Guest

    If it's a good product, buy it.
    If you don't want to pay the price then don't buy it.
    Simple as that.

    I'm a consumer too, but I'm also a business man. Businesses are not in
    it simply and only to satisfy customers. The more they give to the
    consumer the less they make in profit. They're in business to satisfy
    customers while making as much profit as possible. Every company has
    to find out where they want to fit in the market place. Some will give
    the customer more at the expense of profit, equity, quality, worker
    benefits, or some other expense. Others will give less. If it were me
    running Russound, I'd be doing the same thing.
     
  8. If it's a good product, buy it.
    If you don't want to pay the price then don't buy it.
    Simple as that.

    I'm a consumer too, but I'm also a business man. Businesses are not in
    it simply and only to satisfy customers. The more they give to the
    consumer the less they make in profit. They're in business to satisfy
    customers while making as much profit as possible. Every company has
    to find out where they want to fit in the market place. Some will give
    the customer more at the expense of profit, equity, quality, worker
    benefits, or some other expense. Others will give less. If it were me
    running Russound, I'd be doing the same thing.


    I can see exclusively using 'dealers' for things the public shouldnt be
    buying, such as professional-grade alarm components, but audio systems,
    intercom systems, etc shouldnt be a 'dealer only' item. Too many hands in
    mah cookie jar.
     
  9. Jim

    Jim Guest

    Perhaps we're talking about two different things. When I refer to
    "dealers", I'm talking about just plain old people who are installers
    who buy their equipment from distributors who will only sell to the
    trade.

    If you're talking about exclusive factory dealerships, then I agree
    with you. But that's not what Russound is doing.

    And just in passing, using Bose ( of all companys) as an example was
    the worst choice you could have made. They're simply a marketing
    company hyping a poor quality garbage product to uneducated end
    users.

    It IS however a good example of what I was talking about.

    Now here's a company who has decided that there's a big market in
    duping the public as long as you advertise, advertise, advertise. They
    simply direct the greater portion of their profit into advertising and
    put as little as possible into quality or good technology. When doing
    estimates on home theater and residential sound systems, occasionally
    someone will mention Bose. ( Stands for: .... B-etter O-
    ff W-ith S-omething E-lse)
    I respond with 2 questions ....... How many other sound and home
    theater related companys do you see advertising? Where do you think
    they put their money .... in advertising or in equipment quality?

    Also, in the past, on two occasions, when the people have purchased
    their "great" Bose system first and have called to have me install it,
    I've made them a deal. I ask how much they paid for the Bose system. I
    take them to a local Best Buy and pick out equivalent priced
    equipment, on my credit card. Set up both systems and let them
    compare. Neither one picked the Bose.

    Bad ......really, REALLY bad ..... equipment. (Equal to Radio Shack
    quality)

    Great .... really, REALY great ..... advertising.
     
  10. Jim

    Jim Guest

    Well, I guess Bose just sold out. They certainly have the largest
    share of the audiophobe market. Back in the day, they where one of the
    best. Even the auto makers used their systems. Although I always
    wondered just how good a system had to be to give "great" sound from 4
    inch speakers in a 5X8 foot area.
    Weeeelll .... except (in my opinion) Bose sold out completely. At
    least Klipsch maintains status ( and integrity) by producing higher
    end products.

    So ..... it's producing a low end product too but at a deserving
    price. I'd guess it sees that if Bose can sell it's poor quality
    product at such high prices, it can compete with them by selling it at
    a lower price. The thing is ... you still can get the good stuff.
    Bose is Bose ..... no matter what you pay for it.
     
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