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Barry

Jan 1, 1970
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Normally I would post this on comp.home.automation but there seems to be
very little activity there so I'll try here. I'm looking for a Russound
CAA66 Audio system with white KP6 controllers. Any suggestions of reliable
sources to get it? I've googled but just come up with sites I've not heard
of. Thanks in advance. I know a lot of the people who used to frequent the
other group also come here. Hope this question is OK here.

Barry
 
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Jim

Jan 1, 1970
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Normally I would post this on comp.home.automation but there seems to be
very little activity there so I'll try here. �I'm looking for a Russound
CAA66 Audio system with white KP6 controllers. �Any suggestions of reliable
sources to get it? �I've googled but just come up with sites I'venot heard
of. �Thanks in advance. �I know a lot of the people who used to frequent the
other group also come here. �Hope this question is OK here.

Barry

Are you an end user or a dealer?

If you're a dealer, you can get it at any alarm or audio distributor.

If you're an end user, I think that what you are experiencing is that
Russound along with other manufacturers are beginning to control the
distribution of their products. People ( dealers) were buying their
products in quantity and selling them on the Internet at dealer
pricing. This really pisses dealers off and then they don't use their
product because they can't make any money on it. Some maufacturers are
just getting wise enough to learn that they can make more money and
have less technical calls( from untrained end users) by selling
through dealers than they can by letting their products be sold direct
to end users. I know that Proficient audio has been clamping down on
Internet sales along with a few others.

What's happening now is that some of these websites will still
advertise these products but when you get to their site .... the
product is not in stock, on backorder or whatever, but they've got you
at their site so you might buy something else.
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Barry said:
Normally I would post this on comp.home.automation but there seems to be
very little activity there so I'll try here. I'm looking for a Russound
CAA66 Audio system with white KP6 controllers. Any suggestions of reliable
sources to get it? I've googled but just come up with sites I've not heard
of. Thanks in advance. I know a lot of the people who used to frequent the
other group also come here. Hope this question is OK here.

Barry


I'm certain that you can find a local source for the product. Most
security dealers these days are "into" a whole lot more than just
motions and keypads. I'd suggest you "start" your search with your
Yellow Pages.
 
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Steven Vaughan

Jan 1, 1970
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The problem is Russound has made agreements with all their distributors
not to
sell to any online dealers. Doing so will cost the distributor the line.
They also will refuse warranty service on products not sold by authorized
dealers. A few online stores still have remaining stock but it's
dwindling fast. We removed the line a while back. It's unfortunate
because their products are excellent.



Sounds like thats a way to prop up the price. That stuff is good, but
expensive.
 
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Jim

Jan 1, 1970
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Sounds like thats a way to prop up the price. That stuff is good, but
expensive.

To me, a dealer, it sounds like a product I'll use because someone is
watching out for me rather than whoreing themselves to end users. It's
ok to sell to end users mind you, just not at the same price that I
have to pay for it.
 
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Steven Vaughan

Jan 1, 1970
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Sounds like thats a way to prop up the price. That stuff is good, but
expensive.

To me, a dealer, it sounds like a product I'll use because someone is
watching out for me rather than whoreing themselves to end users. It's
ok to sell to end users mind you, just not at the same price that I
have to pay for it.




Agreed, but if the price you have to pay for it and the price I (a
non-dealer) can get it for are close, then there is someone in the pipe with
a big markup on your end. Good for you (the middle-man), bad for me (the
end-user).

Should I, an 'end-user' (actually an installer, but an 'end-user' for
argument's sake) have to purchase my High-Def home theater equipment from an
"authorized" dealer? why? Seems to me if Sony or Bose insisted on only
"authorized dealers" to sell their products we would all pay much more for
the unnecessary middle-man overhead. What's different about Russound?
Nothing especially complicated to sound systems. The setup vis-a-vis sound
imaging is tricky, but selling the products through an authorized dealer
does nothing to address that. It simply adds cost to an otherwise
competitive product.

And lets get down to the crux of the issue- do you really think they have
anywhere near $100 in a volume control? Yes, the quality is good, but it
ain't that good. It's artificially inflated, and the end-user (as well as
you, the 'authorized dealer') are getting screwed as a result of this
pricing scheme. Let the market decide what it's worth. This is exactly why
many American companies aren't competitive. Too many hands in the cookie
jar, and schemes to pump up the profit to obscene levels to keep the
shareholders happy. It's a non-sustainable concept that is difficult to
understand, even for a Capitalist like me, if a company wants to remain a
player long-term and not be forced out by cheap crap.
 
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Jim

Jan 1, 1970
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To me, a dealer, it sounds like a product I'll use because someone is
watching out for me rather than whoreing themselves to end users. It's
ok to sell to end users mind you, just not at the same price that I
have to pay for it.

Agreed, but if the price you have to pay for it and the price I (a
non-dealer) can get it for are close, then there is someone in the pipe with
a big markup on your end. Good for you (the middle-man), bad for me (the
end-user).

Should I, an 'end-user' (actually an installer, but an 'end-user' for
argument's sake) have to purchase my High-Def home theater equipment froman
"authorized" dealer? why? Seems to me if Sony or Bose insisted on only
"authorized dealers" to sell their products we would all pay much more for
the unnecessary middle-man overhead. What's different about Russound?
Nothing especially complicated to sound systems. The setup vis-a-vis sound
imaging is tricky, but selling the products through an authorized dealer
does nothing to address that. It simply adds cost to an otherwise
competitive product.

And lets get down to the crux of the issue- do you really think they have
anywhere near $100 in a volume control? Yes, the quality is good, but it
ain't that good. It's artificially inflated, and the end-user (as well as
you, the 'authorized dealer') are getting screwed as a result of this
pricing scheme. Let the market decide what it's worth. This is exactly why
many American companies aren't competitive. Too many hands in the cookie
jar, and schemes to pump up the profit to obscene levels to keep the
shareholders happy. It's a non-sustainable concept that is difficult to
understand, even for a Capitalist like me, if a company wants to remain a
player long-term and not be forced out by cheap crap.

If it's a good product, buy it.
If you don't want to pay the price then don't buy it.
Simple as that.

I'm a consumer too, but I'm also a business man. Businesses are not in
it simply and only to satisfy customers. The more they give to the
consumer the less they make in profit. They're in business to satisfy
customers while making as much profit as possible. Every company has
to find out where they want to fit in the market place. Some will give
the customer more at the expense of profit, equity, quality, worker
benefits, or some other expense. Others will give less. If it were me
running Russound, I'd be doing the same thing.
 
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Steven Vaughan

Jan 1, 1970
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If it's a good product, buy it.
If you don't want to pay the price then don't buy it.
Simple as that.

I'm a consumer too, but I'm also a business man. Businesses are not in
it simply and only to satisfy customers. The more they give to the
consumer the less they make in profit. They're in business to satisfy
customers while making as much profit as possible. Every company has
to find out where they want to fit in the market place. Some will give
the customer more at the expense of profit, equity, quality, worker
benefits, or some other expense. Others will give less. If it were me
running Russound, I'd be doing the same thing.


I can see exclusively using 'dealers' for things the public shouldnt be
buying, such as professional-grade alarm components, but audio systems,
intercom systems, etc shouldnt be a 'dealer only' item. Too many hands in
mah cookie jar.
 
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Jim

Jan 1, 1970
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I can see exclusively using 'dealers' for things the public shouldnt be
buying, such as professional-grade alarm components, but audio systems,
intercom systems, etc shouldnt be a 'dealer only' item. Too many hands in
mah cookie jar.

Perhaps we're talking about two different things. When I refer to
"dealers", I'm talking about just plain old people who are installers
who buy their equipment from distributors who will only sell to the
trade.

If you're talking about exclusive factory dealerships, then I agree
with you. But that's not what Russound is doing.

And just in passing, using Bose ( of all companys) as an example was
the worst choice you could have made. They're simply a marketing
company hyping a poor quality garbage product to uneducated end
users.

It IS however a good example of what I was talking about.

Now here's a company who has decided that there's a big market in
duping the public as long as you advertise, advertise, advertise. They
simply direct the greater portion of their profit into advertising and
put as little as possible into quality or good technology. When doing
estimates on home theater and residential sound systems, occasionally
someone will mention Bose. ( Stands for: .... B-etter O-
ff W-ith S-omething E-lse)
I respond with 2 questions ....... How many other sound and home
theater related companys do you see advertising? Where do you think
they put their money .... in advertising or in equipment quality?

Also, in the past, on two occasions, when the people have purchased
their "great" Bose system first and have called to have me install it,
I've made them a deal. I ask how much they paid for the Bose system. I
take them to a local Best Buy and pick out equivalent priced
equipment, on my credit card. Set up both systems and let them
compare. Neither one picked the Bose.

Bad ......really, REALLY bad ..... equipment. (Equal to Radio Shack
quality)

Great .... really, REALY great ..... advertising.
 
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Jim

Jan 1, 1970
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Hehe... guess I'm stuck in the old Bose 901 days. I don't think most
audiophiles would agree with the assessment of those as "Equal to Radio
Shack quality". The 'big box' Bose stuff- yeah, I suppose it's not reference
standard equipment, and definetly overpriced.
Well, I guess Bose just sold out. They certainly have the largest
share of the audiophobe market. Back in the day, they where one of the
best. Even the auto makers used their systems. Although I always
wondered just how good a system had to be to give "great" sound from 4
inch speakers in a 5X8 foot area.
Klipsch has done the same thing as Bose- built a line of less-expensive
mass-market equipment that uses the glorious name of their founder to
produce less-than-exceptional equipment. However, the old Klipschorn stuff, just like the old Bose stuff, remains some of the most sought-after
equipment by audiophiles.

Weeeelll .... except (in my opinion) Bose sold out completely. At
least Klipsch maintains status ( and integrity) by producing higher
end products.

So ..... it's producing a low end product too but at a deserving
price. I'd guess it sees that if Bose can sell it's poor quality
product at such high prices, it can compete with them by selling it at
a lower price. The thing is ... you still can get the good stuff.
Bose is Bose ..... no matter what you pay for it.
 
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