Automatic pollution control for cars and highways.

[Skybuck Flying]

Hello,

Automatic pollution control idea for cars and highways:

1. Cars are fitted with computer chips, receivers and sensors.

2. Roads are fitted with computer chips, senders/transmitters and sensors.

Pollution limiters:

1. Cars could be outfitted with maps of roads and the allowed pollution
limit, this data could periodically be updated.

2. Roads could be outfitted with acceptable pollution levels.

Sensing the pollution:

1. Cars have sensors to sense pollution.

2. Roads have sensors to sense pollution.

Controlling the pollution:

1. Cars can automatically shutdown when pollution levels become to high for
a certain road. Before this happens the driver is warned that if it takes a
certain path it might face shutdown so a different route is recommended or
no route at all (stay at home ! )

2. Roads can inform cars to shutdown.

This offers a dual-system, road or the cars themselfes can act to prevent
pollution.

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[david dirkse]

Hello,

Automatic pollution control idea for cars and highways:

1. Cars are fitted with computer chips, receivers and sensors.

2. Roads are fitted with computer chips, senders/transmitters and sensors.

Pollution limiters:

1. Cars could be outfitted with maps of roads and the allowed pollution
limit, this data could periodically be updated.

2. Roads could be outfitted with acceptable pollution levels.

Sensing the pollution:

1. Cars have sensors to sense pollution.

2. Roads have sensors to sense pollution.

Controlling the pollution:

1. Cars can automatically shutdown when pollution levels become to high
for a certain road. Before this happens the driver is warned that if it
takes a certain path it might face shutdown so a different route is
recommended or no route at all (stay at home ! )

2. Roads can inform cars to shutdown.

This offers a dual-system, road or the cars themselfes can act to prevent
pollution.

Bye,
Skybuck.

electric cars do not generate pollution.
So, new technology is the answer.
However, innovation is frustrated by the fact, that the population is not at
all interested in technological/scientific backgrounds of its society.
Parasitic positions such as government, financial consultancy, are far more
popular.
r.
david

 

[Skybuck Flying]

The big oil companies do not benefit from electrical cars.

So they will happily kill the electric car at every chance they get.

Therefore for the electric car industry to be successfull certain protection
is needed

Even when fossil oil runs out there could be a biological replacement
created by bacteries so if people think waiting for the oil to run out will
solve the problem by itself then they are probably wrong therefore if
nothing is done we will never get rid of the polution that oil brings !

(Unless maybe bacteria creature oil and the resulting car-fuel is more clean
? )

Bye,
Skybuck

 

[Mr. Noise Guy]

Hello,

Automatic pollution control idea for cars and highways:

1. Cars are fitted with computer chips, receivers and sensors.

2. Roads are fitted with computer chips, senders/transmitters and sensors..

Pollution limiters:

1. Cars could be outfitted with maps of roads and the allowed pollution
limit, this data could periodically be updated.

2. Roads could be outfitted with acceptable pollution levels.

Sensing the pollution:

1. Cars have sensors to sense pollution.

2. Roads have sensors to sense pollution.

Controlling the pollution:

1. Cars can automatically shutdown when pollution levels become to high for
a certain road. Before this happens the driver is warned that if it takesa
certain path it might face shutdown so a different route is recommended or
no route at all (stay at home ! )

2. Roads can inform cars to shutdown.

This offers a dual-system, road or the cars themselfes can act to prevent
pollution.

Bye,
  Skybuck.

Problems with your idea:

1) Air pollution is a regional problem involving the aggregate of many
mobile and stationary sources including highway traffic, powerplants,
and industrial and commercial processes. Seasonal meteorology plays an
essential role in the conversion of near-source primary pollutants to
secondary pollutants e.g. photochemical smog, as well as the transport
thereof. The formation of photochemical smog is a highly complex
process in itself, depending on air temperature, UV radiation,
proportions of individual primary pollutants, chemical reaction times,
atmospheric stability, wind speed and direction, to name the most
important factors. Therefore it is not feasible, nor meaningful to
assign allowable pollutant levels to each roadway, especially not in
the Netherlands where crowded conditions and therefore dense source
distributions exist.

2) Even if it were possible to assign meaningful maximum allowable
pollutant levels for each roadway, what would you do with the traffic
when the level is exceeded on that roadway? You said that they'd be
given a warning to either take a different route or stay home. In the
mean time, the affected roadway has to be vacated first, causing a
whole new set of problems, the least of which is an overload of
pollutants someplace else.

I would forget the idea if I were you.

-Mr. Noise Guy
Orangevale, Californis, U.S.A.

 

[Mr. Noise Guy]

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electric cars do not generate pollution.
So, new technology is the answer.

Keeping in mind that powerplants do generate pollutants (unless they
are nuclear), and a conversion of fossile fuel to electric cars will
increase the pollutant emissions at the powerplants. Remember: there
no such thing as a free lunch.

[...]

-Mr. Noise Guy
Orangevale, California, U.S.A.

 

[Eeyore]

electric cars do not generate pollution.

The power station the generates the electricity does. Indeed the overall
efficiency from power plant ( typical fossil fuel ) is no better for EVs than it
is for diesel engined cars.

Graham

 

[Nobody]

Keeping in mind that powerplants do generate pollutants (unless they
are nuclear),

Nuclear plants generate pollution; how much depends largely upon how
quickly those responsible for storing high-level waste get fed up with
storing it. Even if the high-level waste is safely contained indefinitely,
low-level waste causes some degree of pollution, as does mining uranium
ore.

Solar, wind, wave, tidal, hydro and geothermal power all have much lower
levels of pollution than fossil fuels. Most of the pollution arises from
the construction and eventual disposal of the plant.

 

[Paul E. Schoen]

Nuclear plants generate pollution; how much depends largely upon how
quickly those responsible for storing high-level waste get fed up with
storing it. Even if the high-level waste is safely contained
indefinitely,
low-level waste causes some degree of pollution, as does mining uranium
ore.

Solar, wind, wave, tidal, hydro and geothermal power all have much lower
levels of pollution than fossil fuels. Most of the pollution arises from
the construction and eventual disposal of the plant.

Even conventional coal powered plants do not create as much pollution as
the equivalent number of fossil-fuel-powered vehicles. The worst
environmental impact comes from irresponsible mining techniques.
Point-of-source scrubbers and maintaining optimal efficiency reduce the
overall pollution and keep it localized to an area which may not be as
critical. But the answer to the global energy crisis, as well as pollution
and AGW, is to reduce our individual demand for energy by instituting
lifestyle changes.

Paul

 

[De Joker ©]

Keeping in mind that powerplants do generate pollutants (unless they
are nuclear),

But most of the new powerplants actually _are_ nuclear! That's what
the central-committee of the Communist Party in Beijing has decided.
The rulers of the world have solved this problem, Guy!

(J)

 

[Eeyore]

Nuclear plants generate pollution;

Not directly in any appreciable amount.

Graham

 

[Mr. Noise Guy]

But most of the new powerplants actually _are_ nuclear! That's what
the central-committee of the Communist Party in Beijing has decided.
The rulers of the world have solved this problem, Guy!

(J)

How stupid of me...I totally misread david dirkse's response. For some
crazy reason I thought he was talking about the Netherlands. It's of
course logical he meant China (without mentioning so). I should've
been able to figure that out.

-Mr. Noise Guy
Orangevale, California, U.S.A.

 

[Snowflake babies stay crunchy, even in milk.]

"Skybuck Flying" <[email protected]> schreef

electric cars do not generate pollution.
So, new technology is the answer.

Keeping in mind that powerplants do generate pollutants (unless they
are nuclear), and a conversion of fossile fuel to electric cars will
increase the pollutant emissions at the powerplants. Remember: there
no such thing as a free lunch.

[...]

-Mr. Noise Guy
Orangevale, California, U.S.A.

When McDonald's forgets to lock their dumpsters, it's free lunch
time.

How about a perpetual motion machine. We can power our cars with an
elaborate system of water wheels and screws. JK.

It seems that the solution is just to incrementally increase emission
standards, forcing automakers to find ways to reach those new emission
standards. I think that it would be easier to monitor and control the
emissions of a couple of power plants than to do the same with a few
million vehicles.



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[R Mach]

Hello, Automatic pollution control idea for cars and highways: 1. Cars are

fitted with computer chips, receivers and sensors. 2. Roads are fitted
with computer chips, senders/transmitters and sensors.
Pollution limiters: 1. Cars could be outfitted with maps of roads and the
allowed pollution limit, this data could periodically be updated. 2. Roads
could be outfitted with acceptable pollution levels. Sensing the
pollution: 1. Cars have sensors to sense pollution. 2. Roads have sensors
to sense pollution. Controlling the pollution: 1. Cars can automatically
shutdown when pollution levels become to high for a certain road. Before
this happens the driver is warned that if it takes a certain path it might
face shutdown so a different route is recommended or no route at all (stay
at home ! ) 2. Roads can inform cars to shutdown. This offers a
dual-system, road or the cars themselfes can act to prevent pollution.
Bye,
Skybuck.

Controlling pollution is no problem at all...if impact on economic activity
is not a concern. But shutting down vehicles in a major city will have an
economic impact...

Your time would be better spent controlling the traffic lights...but even
that is not going to work at rush hour because at rush hour cars are
everywhere at once.

And electric vehicles do cause pollution because most electricity is
produced by burning coal. Now a MPG conversion factor might favor the
electric car...but the electric car has a limited range and an unbelievable
weight. (Both the Tesla and the proposed Chrysler EV are based on Lotus cars
which are cars that are both small and also use lightweight technology. The
Lotus Elise with an internal combustion engine weighs about 1980 pounds
while the Tesla EV weighs about 2700 pounds. Now take an average mid-size
car that weighs 3300 pounds and add 36% weight for an EV and that's 4488
pounds for a midsize EV the size of a Camry !)

Okay...to fix pollution caused by cars...realize that the internal
combustion engine with four-valve-per-cylinder heads, with electronic port
fuel injection but now with electronic direct fuel injection, and with
variable valve timing...realize that the internal combustion engine has
become very good. Then just reduce vehicle weight by 15% to 25% and scale
the engine size to the new weight.

How is vehicle weight reduced by 15% to 25% ? Well using beam or girder
frames with rigid fiberglass bodywork will reduce vehicle weight by 12% to
15%. Using frames with equal-sized upper and lower frame rails (that brace
each other so they neither has to be as large as a girder frame) and having
a frame that makes a lot of bodywork attachment points so that a semi-rigid
or semi-flexible bodywork can be used...that can reduce vehicle weight by
20% to 25%.

Now keep in mind that the vehicle using a lightweight technology and scaling
the engine size to the new weight...has maintained performance levels while
increasing fuel mileage and reducing pollution.

Now consider a nationwide 15% to 20% reduction in vehicle pollution...and
that based on existing technology.

 

[R Mach]

Controlling pollution is no problem at all...if impact on economic
activity is not a concern. But shutting down vehicles in a major city will
have an economic impact...

Your time would be better spent controlling the traffic lights...but even
that is not going to work at rush hour because at rush hour cars are
everywhere at once.

Oh...but consider a city that I know. They are more concerned with adding
tourist features for the conventioneers...like a main-street electric
trolley...than they are concerned with getting commuters into and out of the
city. Well...they have a heavy-rail city system but the commuters from the
suburbs do not tie into it. Commuter buses pass right by the city system and
sit in traffic and there are no commuter trains. (Now the President of the
U.S. went to school in a city with commuter trains and then lived in a city
with commuter trains. So he may not even know that there are major cities
without commuter trains.)

 

[De Joker ©]

How stupid of me...I totally misread david dirkse's response. For some
crazy reason I thought he was talking about the Netherlands. It's of
course logical he meant China (without mentioning so). I should've
been able to figure that out.

Yes, what's happening to you lately? (But then again, Skybuck often
is a bit too far above us, I guess..)

(J)

 

[Liberal Whisperer]

electric cars do not generate pollution.
So, new technology is the answer.
However, innovation is frustrated by the fact, that the population is not at
all interested in technological/scientific backgrounds of its society.
Parasitic positions such as government, financial consultancy, are far more
popular.
r.
david

Electric motors create ozone. How do you dispose of the batteries?

 

[Eeyore]

Controlling pollution is no problem at all...if impact on economic activity
is not a concern. But shutting down vehicles in a major city will have an
economic impact...

Your time would be better spent controlling the traffic lights...but even
that is not going to work at rush hour because at rush hour cars are
everywhere at once.

And electric vehicles do cause pollution because most electricity is
produced by burning coal. Now a MPG conversion factor might favor the
electric car...but the electric car has a limited range and an unbelievable
weight. (Both the Tesla and the proposed Chrysler EV are based on Lotus cars
which are cars that are both small and also use lightweight technology. The
Lotus Elise with an internal combustion engine weighs about 1980 pounds
while the Tesla EV weighs about 2700 pounds. Now take an average mid-size
car that weighs 3300 pounds and add 36% weight for an EV and that's 4488
pounds for a midsize EV the size of a Camry !)

Okay...to fix pollution caused by cars...realize that the internal
combustion engine with four-valve-per-cylinder heads, with electronic port
fuel injection but now with electronic direct fuel injection, and with
variable valve timing...realize that the internal combustion engine has
become very good. Then just reduce vehicle weight by 15% to 25% and scale
the engine size to the new weight.

How is vehicle weight reduced by 15% to 25% ? Well using beam or girder
frames with rigid fiberglass bodywork will reduce vehicle weight by 12% to
15%. Using frames with equal-sized upper and lower frame rails (that brace
each other so they neither has to be as large as a girder frame) and having
a frame that makes a lot of bodywork attachment points so that a semi-rigid
or semi-flexible bodywork can be used...that can reduce vehicle weight by
20% to 25%.

Now keep in mind that the vehicle using a lightweight technology and scaling
the engine size to the new weight...has maintained performance levels while
increasing fuel mileage and reducing pollution.

Now consider a nationwide 15% to 20% reduction in vehicle pollution...and
that based on existing technology.

Not to mention that the diesel engined car so popular in Europe is more
efficient still. With new technolgies being developed currently, a target of 40%
thermal efficiency is potentially achievable. Large marine diesels already
exceed this.

Hraham

 

[Eeyore]

Even conventional coal powered plants do not create as much pollution as
the equivalent number of fossil-fuel-powered vehicles. The worst
environmental impact comes from irresponsible mining techniques.
Point-of-source scrubbers and maintaining optimal efficiency reduce the
overall pollution and keep it localized to an area which may not be as
critical. But the answer to the global energy crisis, as well as pollution
and AGW, is to reduce our individual demand for energy by instituting
lifestyle changes.

Installing better insulation in buildings and using more energy efficient
appliances ( e.g. NOT plasma TV sets ) doesn't even require a lifestyle
change.

Graham

 

[Snowflake babies stay crunchy, even in milk.]

Electric motors create ozone. How do you dispose of the batteries?

Good point about the ozone. Gas powered vehicles indirectly produce
ozone, more so than electric vehicles.
Make recyclable batteries.


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host, Chuck Mertz, asks intelligent, probing questions and gives the
guests as much time as needed to answer. Past guests have included
Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Dean Baker, Greg Palast, and many more
luminaries of political thought.
http://www.thisishell.net/

 

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electric cars do not generate pullution on the road......
so cities will be cleaner.
Also, it it easier to control pollution at centralized power plants.

r.
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"Centralized" power plants?? WTF is that?? You know your King wants to
bankrupt coal companies and make electricity rates skyrocket don't
you??