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ATMega16 Interface with SSR

Discussion in 'Electronic Design' started by JoeyB, Jan 28, 2008.

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  1. JoeyB

    JoeyB Guest

    Hi All,

    I've got a ATMega16 that is interfaced to a LM34 temperature sensor.
    I'm using the ADC noise reduction (sleep) mode every second when I
    sample my ADC. Based on the temp, I'm TRYING to drive a SSR directly
    from the micro on Pin B0. The micro has a 300 ohm impedance that
    should limit current to 16ma @ 5VDC. This is an acceptable load for
    the micro. The only onther load is a LCD. I've done other projects
    with this SSR and the mega16 albiet simpler - never a problem - the
    Mega16 can source enough current to drive this particular SSR when it
    is the only thing hooked to it. Now, when the micro determines that
    it needs to turn on the SSR, it puts out 5VDC to the pin. With the pin
    disconnected, no problem, 5VDC. When the pin is connected to the SSR,
    the voltage on the pin is only 1 VDC. I put an ammeter in series with
    the pin and the SSR and measured .1ma. So, it looks like the pin is
    only sourcing 1 milliwatt of power...? According the the datasheet, it
    should source [email protected]
    Anybody have a clue? The micro is going into sleep mode and
    taking measurements while it is trying to drive the SSR. Is this the
    problem? Can the micro drive pins in sleep mode? I'm assuming my power
    supply to the micro is sufficient because my VCC stays at 5VDC with
    the pin at 1VDC. I've tried a couple of different SSRs. I'm pretty
    sure they're ok. I've switched the output from Pin D0 to Pin B0, no
    luck there. I've got the pins configured as outputs, DDRB, DDRD set to
    1. I shouldn't have to worry about pullups when the pins are
    configured to be outputs right? At least, that's what I'm getting
    after reading the Mega16 datasheet. I've triple checked the circuit,
    it's wired right...My last resort will be to re-design the circuit to
    sink current rather than source it but - IN THEORY - what I have
    should work. I can also spend some time taking the noise reduction
    sleep mode stuff back out it that's the problem.

    Any help is appreciated.
     
  2. Next time take a deep breath and dont post too much info.
    see
    atmel doc2545, p330 ( wish it had an index)
    shows that you can sink quite a lot of current .

    How are you wiring the SSR, between 5V and the port pin. This is the
    usual way

    or between the port pin and ground?


    martin
     
  3. linnix

    linnix Guest

    Not in Noise Reduction Mode. The core and I/O module are shutdown in
    NRM.
    Either way should be fine, as long as the I/O module is active.
     
  4. Ah, the finer points of data sheets, thxs, just about to start with
    avrs


    martin
     
  5. JoeyB

    JoeyB Guest

    Thanks Linnix,

    So dump the NRM stuff if I want to do any I/O. No I/O in any sleep
    modes? I went back through the datasheet looking for anything about
    the I/O modules being shut down in NRM and couldn't find any reference
    to it. Thanks for the tip. Is there anything else I should be
    reading?

    I'll change my code around to skip NRM and let you know how it goes.
     
  6. JoeyB

    JoeyB Guest

    Update,

    I just pulled the sleep mode stuff out - no dice. Still getting a 1
    volt output on the pin with the SSR hooked up.

    Any other ideas?

    Thanks
     
  7. Arlet Ottens

    Arlet Ottens Guest

    Do you have a series resistor on the output pin ? Check the SSR spec for
    forward voltage and turn-on current, and adjust a series resistor
    accordingly. To verify the current, put a volt meter across the resistor.
     
  8. JoeyB

    JoeyB Guest

    Thanks Levente/Arlet

    Levente, I went to your site. Interesting stuff. I saw how you had a
    470 ohm resister in series with your SSR. I tried to get the software
    file but it was corrupted when I tried to unzip it with Winzip. So, I
    not sure how the pin was configured but I can guess.

    Maybe I'm missing something simple: I've seen where people suggest
    using E/I = R to determine the series resistance value to use but they
    never consider the fact that the SSR is also in the circuit adding its
    own resistance to the equation. Also, you need to take into
    consideration the output impedance of the microcontroller. From
    looking at the source current vs voltage table for the mega16, this
    looks to be like a pretty non-linear output impedance. From the data
    sheet, my ssr has a input impedance of 300 ohms. If I can't get
    enough power to source it with no series resistance added, why would
    adding a resistor fix anything? From the Mega16 data sheet, the output
    impedance of the pin is close to 250 ohms at the desired voltage so I
    should be close to impedance matched with no series resistor
    whatsoever.

    I'm going to swich the circuit so the Mega16 is sinking rather than
    sourcing although I feel like I'm cheating because it SHOULD be able
    to source this power according to the data sheets.

    I'll report my findings.
    Thanks.
     
  9. JoeyB

    JoeyB Guest

    Found it. I configured the port as a output in a function that was
    never getting called. So, the port was never configured. Open
    circuit,
    it acted like it worked. Sending a 1 to it made 5V a zero, zero...
    Under load however, no dice.

    Stupid stuff can kick your (my) ass for days ! I guess it's all stupid
    stuff once you find it.
     
  10. Levente

    Levente Guest

    Well it is allways like this. So you find it... good. I switch a 1kW heater
    with that configuration. :) The stuff on my page is not zipped, rather gz-d
    or bz2-d, which I don't know winzip can do anything about it... but PDFs
    should work! :)

    Best regards,
     
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