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Discussion in 'Electronic Basics' started by Jonathan Kirwan, Sep 12, 2004.

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  1. I've just posted up an initial web page that includes my short program for
    converting LTSpice schematics into ASCII ones:

    http://users.easystreet.com/jkirwan/new/LTSpice.html

    The included ASCII library file has just a few symbols in it, right now. And I
    mean __just a few__!! It has two resistor orientations, 0 and 90, two cap
    orientations, 0 and 90, one orientation for 'npn2', one for 'voltage' and that
    is IT! It's dead easy to add more, though, with any editor program. I'm going
    to work on adding the fuller complement of the more common parts as time
    permits, but I thought it was more important to put out something right now and
    let folks look and complain and kibitz so that it can be improved quickly before
    too much time goes into the library side of things.

    Anyway, full source is included (for those with MS VC 1.52C compiler) and there
    is a big comment section at the top describing many details.

    Jon
     
  2. I've finally managed to add some of the basic ASCII library elements so that
    most schematics will look ... about right. If you already have LTSpice you may
    want to give it a try. It's still very preliminary and the ASCII symbols aren't
    the best for everyone, but it will read okay I think.

    The program handles netlist node names, resistors, capacitors, inductors, bjts,
    mosfets, diodes, and a voltage source. No B-sources or similar stuff, yet. I
    can use any feedback on how things should look and any library enhancements
    anyone adds to the library file.

    For now, I've just compiled it as a DOS .COM file. In the ZIP it is named
    "ASCSCHEM.COM" and the library file is "ASCSCHEM.SYM". But you can move these
    two files anywhere in your path and you can also rename them, just so long as
    they both have the same name.

    To use it, just type (in DOS):

    ascschem draft3.asc

    which places the ASCII schematic on stdout. Or,

    ascschem *.asc

    which places all of the schematics onto the same file names but with a .TXT
    extension.

    etc.

    Here's an example from a 2Hz oscillator I had on disk:

    Vcc
    |
    |
    |
    ,-------+------------------+-------+
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    \ \ \ \
    / R4 / R2 / R3 / R5
    Vcc \ 6.8meg\ 330k \ 680k \ 6.8Meg
    | / / / /
    | | | C2 | |
    | | | || .033u | |
    | | +----||--------------------+
    | | | || | |
    - | | C3 | |
    --- V1 | | || | +-----OUT
    - 5 +----------------||--------+ |
    --- | | || | |
    | | | .033u | |
    | | |/c Q1 Q2 c\| |
    | '-----| 2N3904 2N3904 |-----'
    | |>e e<|
    gnd | |
    '------+-----------'
    |
    |
    |
    \
    / R1
    \ 2.7Meg
    /
    |
    |
    |
    gnd

    That was directly created without any hand-intervention on my part from a
    schematic I'd placed on disk more than a year ago.

    Jon
     
  3. This looks great, well done!

    For a regular LT Spice user who can dash off schematics quickly (as I
    can sometimes do in CircuitMaker), your program could prove an
    excellent alternative route to an ASCII schematic. Especially for
    those like me who find ASCII originals a struggle, even with tools
    such as Andy's and Gary's. As you see from my later comments, I've
    used your program successfully in several examples, although almost
    certainly not in optimum fashion.

    Could you clarify a couple of points please. From your web page:
    "Without any command line options, the program simply converts its
    standard input and writes the results to the standard output."

    What exactly is 'its standard input' and 'the standard output'?

    Or (probably the same question?) from the above post:
    "To use it, just type (in DOS):
    ascschem draft3.asc
    which places the ASCII schematic on stdout"

    What is 'stdout'? Is this some programming or scripting term? (I'm not
    a programmer.) Presumably draft3.asc was your specimen LT Spice
    output, copied into the ASCSCHEM folder?

    -------

    Using a Windows XP PC, what I did was copy several ASC files from
    C:\Program Files\LTC\SwCADIII\examples\Educational
    to the same folder in which I've placed your 3 files, i.e
    D:\Program Files\ASCSCHEM

    I opened a Command Prompt window (as close to 'DOS' as I understand
    Windows XP gets), navigated to your folder. I then entered the command
    ascschem Draft2.asc, and hit enter. That gave me a neat result in the
    Command window, white on black, which I've copied from that odd source
    and pasted below:

    DRAFT2.ASC

    ,-------+-------,
    | | |
    | | |
    | | |
    - V1 \ --- C1
    --- 1 / R1 --- 1
    - \ 2 |
    --- / |
    | | |
    | | |
    | | |
    | +-------'
    | |
    GND GND


    My next example, NE555.asc was badly chosen, as it gave a result with
    235 lines of text, incomprehensible when pasted! Not surprising when I
    looked at in LT Spice; it's the 555 internals, not the simple astable
    or similar that I'd unthinkingly assumed <g>. So I previewed my next
    few examples in LT Spice first. For interest, here are a few more of
    my laborious pastes:

    ASTABLE.ASC

    ,---------+----------------------------,
    | | |
    | | |
    | \ \
    | / R1 / R2
    | \ 2K \ 2K
    | / /
    | | |
    | +----+------- -----+-------+
    | | | | |
    - V1 | | | |
    --- 5 | | | |
    - | \ \ |
    --- | / R3 / R4 |
    | | \ 101K \ 100K |
    | | / / |
    | ' | | |
    | | C1 C2 | |
    | | || || | |/c Q1
    | -+---||- -||--+-----|
    | || || |>e 2N3904
    | .01u .01u |
    | , |
    | | |
    | | |
    GND GND GND

    Presumably diagonal lines are a problem, e.g. top of R4 to right of
    C1? (BTW, CircuitMaker can't do them either; my schematic above would
    have a sort of Nazi swastika for those two diagonals <g>)

    And the 'mirrored' NPN BJT Q2?

    Presumably these just await appropriate library entries?

    Next, and last:

    CLAPP.ASC

    ,-------------,
    ' |
    |
    |
    - V1
    ,--------+----------+---- --- 10.
    | | | -
    | | | , ---
    ' | --- C1 | |
    | --- 750p| |
    | | | |
    ' | | |
    | | GND
    , +------+
    | | '
    | , |
    --- C2 | --- C3
    --- 50p | --- 750p
    | | |
    | | | ,
    | | | |
    | | | |
    GND GND GND GND

    Several parts seem missing in that one, such as the FET J1, and
    inductors L1 and L4. Here's what it looks like in LT Spice:

    http://www.terrypin.dial.pipex.com/Images/clapp.gif

    After barely a couple of days, I must say I'm mightily impressed. Give
    it another week or two and maybe you could come up with a polished
    version running under Windows - for CircuitMaker!
     
  4. Sorry, Terry. It's "programmer speak." The standard input is usually just the
    keyboard. But it can be redirected using "pipes." Rather than try to explain
    all that, my recommendation is that if you don't know what it is, don't use it.
    It's not really important, most of the time.
    No, not the same thing. That actually specifies a file name, which is
    different. Here's an example of the first case (using standard input):

    type draft3.asc | ascschem

    But I don't expect you to follow that one.
    It's just the screen, usually. Again, it can be redirected. For example:

    type draft3.asc | ascschem | wc

    Which would send draft3.asc to ascschem and then take the output of that and
    send it to the word-counting program (for what reason, I cannot imagine.)

    I'd recommend just realizing that if you type one file name, the output goes to
    the screen. If you type two or more or use wildcards, you'll get saved .TXT
    files, instead.

    Yes. That's one way to do it.
    Okay. That makes sense.
    Well, Terry. There remains a big problem, still. This is NOT a finished
    product, yet!! Please, please keep that in mind. I've got this VERY TINY
    library of just a few basic parts.

    By the way, check the site every few days and re-get the stuff, if you want.
    I'll try and update the program every so often with new library entries and
    perhaps some proram updates, as well. However, keep in mind that while this
    remains a serious work-in-progress you may find yourself frustrated. Perhaps it
    would be better to wait a month or so, then look, if you want to avoid playing
    with a program that lacks so much, just now.
    Actually, what you are seeing is that anytime a library part isn't in the ASCII
    library file, nothing appears where it should be. It's just blank space. From
    the above, I can see that the library is missing something.

    If that was a BJT, but turned around, please just reload down the program again.
    I think I fixed that, now, by adding some of the other rotations.
    Yup. That should work, now.
    Yup. But that particular one is solved, right now. Just reload the program
    stuff from the site.
    I've got the MOSFETs and inductors added, now. Try getting the program again.
    Sorry to keep saying that, but there it is.
    If only I had a copy of it. Hehe.

    Thanks, Terry!
    Jon
     
  5. And yes, they are currently ignored in the program. I specifically exclude
    placing them, since I'm not yet sure how to emulate them in ASCII. If something
    really nice comes to mind, I'll see about putting it in there. In the meantime,
    use nice and neat horizontal and vertical lines. Oh, well.

    Jon
     
  6. Thanks for that comprehensive and prompt reply. Downloaded the latest
    version. Clapp.asc now shows inductors, but not the FET.

    ,-------------,
    ' |
    |
    |
    -
    ,--------+----------+---- --- V1
    | | | - 10.
    | | | , ---
    | | --- C1 | |
    |( | --- 750p| |
    L1 |( | | | |
    100u |( | | | |
    |( --- | | GND
    | D2 / \ +------+
    |1N4148 --- | |
    | | | |(
    --- C2 | --- L4 |(
    --- 50p | ---1mH |(
    | | | |(
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    GND GND GND GND

    I'll revisit in a week or so.
     
  7. Ah. Thanks. I've got mosfets in (nmos and pmos) but not the njf or pjf, for
    example. (Well, I just added them.)
    Makes sense to me!

    Jon
     
  8. andy

    andy Guest

    Is there any reason it shouldn't compile under linux? If not, I may have a
    go to see if it can display the results of the gschem schematic program. I
    can't read your site atm, which is why I haven't just done it.
     
  9. It won't, I'm fairly sure. It uses Microsoft-specific libraries. They aren't
    complex ones (for example, _strlwr() is used to lower the case of every
    character in a string) but they'd need to be replaced by appropriate functions
    in the gnu library.
    Okay. Of course, you'd need to change the parsing process. How hard that will
    be will depend a lot on how closely aligned the schematic semantic designs are.
    Just try again, I suppose.

    If you do take a whack at this, I'd appreciate any feedback on the source code
    or the ASCII library layout. All these things are subject to change and
    improvements. For example, there is no distinct "node point" designation in the
    ASCII library for the parts, with special meaning. Instead, the source code
    tries to do "reasonable things" when it sees a dash (-) or vertical bar (|) in
    the image and matches it up with wires it sees in the schematic.

    Jon
     
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