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Discussion in 'Electronic Design' started by Rich Grise, Jan 13, 2005.

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  1. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    Thanks, Spehro! I'll check them out. I'm also going dual monitors.
    I plan to have a schematic on one monitor and the simulation output on
    another, makes node probing a lot simpler.

    ...Jim Thompson
  2. John Larkin

    John Larkin Guest

    But I don't want lots and lots of documentation! That's the point.

    Actually, I do program a lot, embedded 68K assembly and PowerBasic on
    PCs. Windows is insane... more effort goes into the operator interface
    and dealing with the OS than goes into solving the problem at hand.

  3. But then the program is easy to use, which is the payoff. Do you
    really relish the appearance of a DOS screen on a program you didn't
    write? How will the editing work? How do you go back to change
    something 3 steps back? Ugh.

    Best regards,
    Spehro Pefhany
  4. JeffM

    JeffM Guest

    Name a device invented since 1989
    Win has said that he and Paul
    are in the process of producing an updated 3rd edition.
    He put an RFC of sorts here a short time back.
    It stands to reason that a man of his intelligence
    will update the parts mentioned to more current versions.
  5. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    What do you two recommend as a programming language for someone like
    myself who only needs to write computational aids to go along with my
    CAD stuff?

    My last experience at programming was years ago... Pascal. My son,
    the programmer, is too busy to help Dad anymore :-(

    ...Jim Thompson
  6. Rich Grise

    Rich Grise Guest

    Visual Basic, if you're going to insist on Windoze. It's got the eye
    candy, but it's really easy to use - almost intuitive. And the language is
    pretty much Basic, plus forms and "controls", which are the buttons and
    text boxes and stuff.

    I know, you didn't ask me, but I see no reason to withhold information

    Good Luck!
  7. JeffM

    JeffM Guest

    It was written about 1980
    So much for the Internet Effect.
    I, OTOH, have a recent copy of the book in front of me.

    (c) 1980, 1989
    First Edition published 1980
    Second Edition published 1989
    Reprinted 1990 (twice), 1991, 1993, 1994, (twice),
    1995, 1996, 1997, 1998 (twice), 1999, 2001
  8. Bob Stephens

    Bob Stephens Guest

    If you really *need* to program in Windows, try Borland Builder. It takes
    care of a lot of the Windows message handling and GUI crap more or less
    painlessly and lets you get down to writing code. Kicks the crap out of Viz
    Studio IMHO...

  9. Clarence_A

    Clarence_A Guest

    Okay. I can't comment further anyway.
    As noted I trashed it a long time ago!
    It had no value to me!
  10. Clarence_A

    Clarence_A Guest

    Since you have it in front of you....

    Look up "Floating Paraphrase Amplifier" and tell me what page it
    is on.

    I do not remember seeing it, but it HAS been a long time.
  11. John Larkin

    John Larkin Guest

    PowerBasic! When I have any problem that I have to do more than a
    couple times, or any fairly complex equation, I just whip out a little
    program, and then I can tweak it, and save for future use. I've also
    done a lot of analog+digital simulation in PB, like weird semi-digital
    PLLs or statistical things. Today I'm going to try my latest:
    WAFFLE.BAS, a program that reads an optical signal waveform from a 20
    GHz Tek sampling scope, compares it to an ideal target waveform, and
    iteratively tweaks a 4 GS/S arbitrary waveform generator to make the
    optical waveform match the target. I wonder if it will converge.

    If you buy PB3.5, I'll send you some of my programs as examples.

  12. John Larkin

    John Larkin Guest

    Hey, my programs are easy to use and have nice looking screens. Shall
    I post one?

  13. I'll second Rich's sugestion, if you had the time to learn I'd suggest
    Visual Studio with C++ and use dialog boxes for the speed.

  14. JeffM

    JeffM Guest

    I, OTOH, have a recent copy of the book in front of me.
    That's "Floating Paraphrase Parser" and your memory is not playing
    That is not in AoE; it is in RFC-1855.
  15. Clarence_A

    Clarence_A Guest

  16. Clarence_A

    Clarence_A Guest

    "JeffM" wrote
    That has nothing to do with a Phase splitter!
    Sorry about the typo! The spell checker doesn't speak electronics
  17. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    Is there a difference between Power Basic and Visual Basic?

    ...Jim Thompson
  18. When I was doing FPGA stuff I'd have ModelSim on one screen and my
    VHDL/Schematic on the other. Cross-probing was slick. It great for
    documentation also (text on one formatting windows on another). I just
    went dual screen at home because it's so useful. OTOH, my wife is
    overwhelmed by the two screens, so shuts one off.

    Here at work I have my 15" laptop and two 21" monitors. The laptop and
    the middle monitor are my Windows screens and the right 21" is my AIX
    screen. I use a KVM (M not connected) to switch back and forth.

    More pixels!
  19. Guy Macon

    Guy Macon Guest

    Powerbasic Console Compiler, aka PB/CC. Accept no substitutes!
  20. Sure.

    As to the question. For little console-based stuff that has no
    significant user interface, I used to use Borland C++ (and before
    that, Borland Pascal), but I'm now using DevC++ (free download). The
    latter is a very nice IDE with the Mingw gcc port underneath. Just
    because I use C and C-like languages (together with a bit of asm)
    most, so it's the easiest for me.

    I don't do significant Windows programs, I pay other people to do them
    when required. I've used Visual Basic and it wasn't hard to create a
    nice-looking user interface, but I don't really want to spend the
    mental bandwidth on doing that sort of thing. For someone that works
    with it regularly it would be a different equation.

    Python (also C-like) has some interesting characteristics, and a lot
    of stuff out there that can be plugged into it. Such as reportlab that
    can create PDF files directly- good for dynamic pdfs on web pages, but
    also useful for other things. I've played with it enough to think that
    if I had more time, I'd be using it more.

    I have not used Powerbasic since it came on 5.25" floppy disks.

    Best regards,
    Spehro Pefhany
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