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Art of Electronics Rave - NON Politix! :-)

Discussion in 'Electronic Design' started by Rich Grise, Jan 13, 2005.

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  1. Rich Grise

    Rich Grise Guest

    I don't know if I've mentioned that I finally went and checked out a copy
    of AoE from the local library. Well, not actually all that local - it was
    about half-way to Corona - But anyway, I've just got to the part about the
    R-2R ladder, and I _finally_ "get" how those suckers work!

    Thank you, Win Hill and Paul Horowitz! :)

    Cheers!
    Rich
     
  2. JeffM

    JeffM Guest

    library...not actually all that local...half-way to Corona
    Placentia?
     
  3. John Larkin

    John Larkin Guest


    Hey, buy the damned book. It's worth it.

    Ugly grey color, though.

    John
     
  4. JeffM

    JeffM Guest

    AoE
    I always thought the gray made it look serious
    --or did I miss the pot-boiler parts?
     
  5. john jardine

    john jardine Guest

    Don't know about your neck of the woods but the one I saw this afternoon
    browsing the shelves of a new bookshop, was on sale at £50.00. Unless an
    individual is very well financed then it is simply not affordable. What
    price knowledge?.
    That book was one of a selection of 12 electronics books and 15 maths books.
    They sat next to the racks containing 700 programme users books (yep I
    counted 'em and why does a Cisco router course need a total of 6000 pages?).
    These in turn sat next to the 'philosophy' section containing a staggering
    820 books!.
    The magazine area held about 2000 titles. Not one electronics mag' but
    spoilt for choice if I was a bartender or flower arranger.

    The future is here, looking decidedly rosy and good for business :).
    regards
    john
     
  6. Rich Grise

    Rich Grise Guest

  7. John Larkin

    John Larkin Guest


    Recently cruised the Computers section of Borders Books. There were
    precisely ZERO books on the hardware of computing, and thousands on
    software. A shrink-wrapped set of "Microsoft .NET Foundation" took an
    entire shelf section by itself, roughly 8000 pages, for a mere $240.

    Makes me nostalgic for the days when mere mortals could write
    programs.

    John
     
  8. mc

    mc Guest

    You still can. Get any version of any subset of Visual Studio (even the $99
    single-language one) and lots and lots of documentation is on disk --
    everything you need. I think it's also on the web. How does Microsoft sell
    those enormous boxed sets of books?
     
  9. JeffM

    JeffM Guest

    half-way to Corona
    That was my 2nd guess.
     
  10. Clarence_A

    Clarence_A Guest

    "John Larkin" wrote
    British Pounds? Ouch. I guess WH needs the money pretty bad
    after all.

    That is used. Funny but the used book stores around here won't
    buy the things even in new condition.

    List price new on Amazon the "Art of Electronics" is $75.99 USD +
    shipping.

    Rather much for a collection of app notes, component specs, and
    simple descriptions. It was written about 1980 and much of it is
    dated. (style mostly)

    When a local tech school closed, I was given three cases of this
    book about four years ago, found five people who wanted one, and
    gave them each one. Tried to sell the rest to a used book store
    and he offered to "take them" since they "wouldn't sell anyway."
    So I recycled them. Should have offered them to this group. You
    seem to go for anything! I looked through one, and chucked it
    into the recycle bin with the rest. Not much there as compared to
    a good engineering handbook! I do remember that the section on
    Microcomputers was rather brief. But since I haven't seen one in
    several years, I really do not remember what there was in it. All
    real simple stuff though.

    Oh yes, R-2R ladders. Used them in A/D and D/A converters back in
    1961. For NASA and the Airforce as I remember. Used to have to
    build your own you know, they were not always little black beans!

    I think the Radio Amateurs Handbook is a better book to start
    with. Real projects to build and good explanations.
     
  11. JeffM

    JeffM Guest

    It was written about 1980
    Second Edition (c) 1989

    Name a device invented since 1989 that you think deserves inclusion.
     
  12. Rick

    Rick Guest

    Hmmph - I was recently quoted 170 UKP (about $300) for a copy of
    an out-of-print technical book.
     
  13. Al Borowski

    Al Borowski Guest

    How about any of the scores of cheap, powerful flash microcontrollers
    with more perihperals then you can shake a stick at.

    cheers,

    Al
     
  14. Clarence_A

    Clarence_A Guest

    No: Second edition (c) 1980, last printing 1989. That is on
    several of the sites where the book is offered for sale.
     
  15. JeffM

    JeffM Guest

    Name a device invented since 1989 that you think deserves inclusion.
    Chapter 11; Figure 8.86 (and I didn't mean re-invented).
     
  16. Clarence_A

    Clarence_A Guest

    Great sense of humor. :)>)

    I wonder how many of the parts listed can even be bought now?
     
  17. Clarence_A

    Clarence_A Guest

    The main dating was "style" as I said!

    However I second the motion that good coverage of current
    microcontrolers would be a great benefit to most people.
    Particularly some discussion of structured (& modular) programming
    techniques for beginning programmers. Also software test methods.
    Adding an array of (industry available) suggestions for interfaces
    and applications would also be good and these are already written
    so there would only be publishing rights to negotiate.

    I believe that in the amplifier section the "floating Paraphrase
    Amplifier" connection was omitted. That circuit is not new, but
    the old version was tubes. I know it is a handy implementation
    because I have used it many times. Also the amplifier zero offset
    correction circuit might be of use.

    Under breadboarding or construction or whatever he called it. How
    to layout a modern breadboard (surface components) Proper
    soldering techniques and rework methods for the student. and
    proper care of the tools, something which is rarely in any book
    (except the Radio Amateur Handbook).

    I'm sure there are many other things, but I dumped the only copy I
    had because it wasn't useful to me, so I can not review it until
    Rich returns the library copy. But I am not too interested in the
    book myself. So I will probably use my time on something
    constructive instead.
     
  18. Some people just deal better with paper books. $240 isn't much for
    something that you are going to be spending hours and hours with (no
    hooker jokes, please). I prefer them (books), but not to the point of
    wanting to pay for them and store them (in most cases- I still have
    about 60 linear feet of bookshelves and quite a few files close at
    hand, with much, much more in the archives). My two 20" 1600x1200 LCD
    panels are still not enough resolution and the reading position is not
    optimal in all cases. Maybe I'm old-fashioned, I met a young
    entrepreneur this week who reads using a projector aimed up at the
    ceiling in his bedroom (or so he says, I've only seen his pretty-much
    paper-free office/lab).


    Best regards,
    Spehro Pefhany
     
  19. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:29:15 -0500, Spehro Pefhany

    [snip]
    Same here.

    [snip]
    Hi Spehro, What LCD's did you buy? I'm due to replace an aging NEC
    XE21 monitor, but I'll have to have the two sons come by to help me
    pick it up ;-)

    ...Jim Thompson
     
  20. I got a couple of Philips 200P3s. They have speakers-- there are
    others with the same resolution and less outside frame if you don't
    need the speakers. They also have a composite NTSC video input. LCDs
    definitely help to reduce eyestrain- the image is razor-sharp. Had
    these for a year now. I'm really glad I held out for the 1600x1200
    resolution.


    Best regards,
    Spehro Pefhany
     
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