Are CNS electric signals AC or DC?

[Benjamin]

| [...]

| Thnks for the opportunity.
|
| Benj

Sadly, you're welcome.

k. p. collins

 

[Mitchell Jones]

[snip]

Many millions should die. They are utter scum and trash; they should
feed their betterlings.

***{Go Aut! Let's kill them steenking lesserlings, and then chow down on
them! --MJ}***

*****************************************************************
If I seem to be ignoring you, consider the possibility
that you are in my killfile. --MJ

 

[Autymn D. C.]

And Autymn calls it "Truthe" but then, she's too busy studying her
navel to know how to spell!

I'm not the one who writes "truth" but says "truthe".

 

[Autymn D. C.]

| > Only as "strong" as is warranted be-cause
| > folks, absent-understanding, Kill and
| > otherwise Ravage one anothers' Beings,
| > 'simply' because their nervous systems,
| > fully-capable of understanding, have not
| > had access to understanding, resulting
| > in a 'funny' condition in which nervous
| > systems direct their host organisms to
| > 'move away from' understanding.
|
| or with understanding

Sadly, that's not, yet, been generally the
case with respect to the understanding to
which I referred in what you've quoted from
my prior post.
Proof?

| > The thing to do is to give folks understanding
| > so that they can do 'the rest' without Killing,
| > and otherwise Ravage one anothers' Beings.
|
| Many millions should die. They are utter scum
| and trash; they should feed their betterlings.

That's just it. Evolutionary dynamics've done
their work so well, in embuing 'normal' human
nervous systems with =generalized= inform-
ation-processing capabilities that there're no
'betterlings'.

There remain only the consequences inherent
in differential-experience, not being understood.

If you can count, you can tell who's better and worse. Those on the
brink of self-death and self-rot are worse than those who could not
be. The weak, the wrong, the flihty, the daft, the cretins, the
fakethful, the ugly, the fat, the gaunt, the sloths, the tools, the
fools, the dim, the dolts must die. Their betterlings, those who
could and can, must accelerare their natural downfall. One can start
by gettan rid of healthcare, pigs-cops-shysters-scum, and manners.

| > But the fundamentals of the work I've done
| > will stand as incontrovertible Truth for all
| > 'time' [or at least until evolutionary dynamics
| > significantly alter the fundamental neural
| > Topology of nervous systems.]
|
| You can't even spell Truthe.

I can't 'deny' that it's in-Truth that I'm reck-
less with stuff like 'spilling'.

It's mostly a result of my not being reck-
less with respect to Truth.

There is no Truth, unless you mean Trust.

| > So, in the interim, I've 'got to' do the work in-
| > herent for folks.
|
| You'v "got" nothing, illiterate.

This, 'two', is True, much to my own
Hardship -- as soon as I've "got" any-
thing, I start working to find ways to give
it to others.

No one has got anything, ever, any more than one can walk kickd
something.

Forgive my 'illiterate'-ness, please,
while I do the work inherent in giving-
you, and others, Precious understand-
ing.

You don't.

-Aut

 

[Autymn D. C.]

| Saccades explain pigmental activation,
| not the blind spot.

If these eye motions are eliminated, via,
say, applications of curarae to the occulor-
motor muscles, 'blindness' happens [the
visual image 'disappears'] be-cause the
visual apparatus is 'engineered' to key-up-
on =change= [and be-cause globally-inte-
grated TD E/I-minimization does the 'same',
eliminating 'all' irrelevant neural activation.]

which still has nothing to do with where the òptic nerve is

| Blind spots are bad upon staring, cheap-
| per or not; the nerve should still be
| behind the retina.

Forgive me, Please, if I agree with the 'ev-
olutionary-engineer', and the results of its
billions of 'years' of work, instead of acqui-
escing to what you say 'must' be.

It's not work, any more than if some blind guy with a knife runs about
the room until there's no more squishy stuff to jab open.

| The species doesn't think of everything.

"The species" doesn't "think" of =any-
thing=.

Evolutionary dynamics are driven by the
one-way flow of energy, from order to
disorder, that is what's =described=
by 2nd Thermo [the Second Law of
Thermodynamics; "WDB2T".]

=All= of Life evolves in the 'same' way,
driven by WDB2T, in ways that literally
Direct Life to 'move' in 'the' anti-WDB2T-
Direction.

There are no laws.
http://google.com/groups?q=Autymn+permanent+OR+perpetual+OR+Loschmidt+OR+yell-at-some
http://google.com/groups?q=Autymn+VSL+OR+fine-structure

The result of such is that, overall, Life
'moves toward' increased-energy-avail-
ability, which 'sustains' Life.

For a vivid example of all of the above,
study plants' heliotrophism -- their grow-
ing in Directions that maximize their ac-
quisition of available sunlight. The more
they do such, the more energy they ac-
quire, and the better they Survive, even
in the midst of disease agents, which are,
themselves, doing the same anti-WDB2T
stuff, but in accord with species-'specific'
"plans".

Bacteria, for instance, activate their flag-
ella differentially with respect to nutrient-
concentration [energy] gradients, which
results in bacteria's ability to 'move toward'
increased-energy, which is 'moving' in
the anti-WDB2T-Direction.

I mean bugs and above; with sinew and siht, and a mind to go with
their paths, there is thinking.

| It will take as many kludges as it can get
| away with: illnesses come first; then come
| immunities.

When a 'kludge' is instantiated, it's =always=
instantiated with respect to a locally-occur-
ring 'movement' in the anti-WDB2T-Direc-
tion.

These dynamics 'see' only local WDB2T.

They're not, 'instantaneously', 'oracles' with
respect to all Possible WDB2T.

But, as Life proceeds, it experiences more-
widely 'within' the realm of all Possible
WDB2T, and the result of such is evolution
of "species" that're ever-more capable of
'moving toward' WDB2T in 'all' Possible
environmental circumstances.

The 2LoTh is impossibil in a shut sustem; hupervòlics and other
divergent functions are not shut.

http://google.com/groups?q=Autymn+black-body+OR+black-bodies+OR+radiator-conductor
http://google.com/groups?q=Autymn+doubt+deathblows

Humans, for instance, can survive in
Arctic climates be-cause their nervous
systems are magnificantly-generalized
processors that can "learn" and "re-
member" strategies for staying-warm,
despite the cold of the external environ-
ment into which they've 'moved', which
'movement' is, itself, in an anti-WDB2T-
DIrection with respect to "maurauding
attackers", etc.

The subject was kludges and illnesses, not your Aspergian rant.

| > The reflex isn't "confused". It's just had an improb-
| > able stimulus imposed upon it. MDs do such in
| > order to "explore" nervous-system structural-integ-
| > rity, which discolses the fact of nervous-system
| > Integrity, which is =tightly= globally-integrated.
|
| improbabil and wrong

:-]

Not only Probable, but Verified as
being True.

You know -- it's called "Science".

You cretin, my reply was subsequent to your claim of improbability. /
You/ said so, and now you're as such wrong again.

| > It's =not= a "kludge". It's an Optimization with
| > respect to the fact that the Problems that
| > nervous systems routinely encounter are
| > routinely of infinitely-large scope.
|
| Nothing is infinite.

Take two 'points', as close as you like
as long as they're not the same 'point',
and there's Infinity between them.

There are no points.

| The kneejerk, charlie horse, sneeze-wince,
| sun-sneeze, nosehairpluck-tear, etc. are
| /not/ optimal routines; they are all weak-
| nesses out of cheap and blind growgrop-
| ing and quickbreeding. They are likely the
| traces of yet manier weaknesses that were
| killed off earlier; as soon as big, smart,
| noonstalking birds learn how to use pollen
| and well-steaded jabs against us, millions
| of the younger population will be dead.

Hmmmm... are you getting into 'science'-
fiction, here?

Evolutionary dynamics do ["of course"]
"evolve" over extended-terms, but it's
not as you assert with respect to "knee-
jerks", etc.

Consider an automobile. It'd be impractical
to use a "bolt" that're nore-costly to manu-
facture than the rest of the car.

In Life, the sort of same-trade-offs occur
routinely during the course of evolution-
ary dynamics, with WDB2T acting as the
"calibration"-mechanism, the result being
=overall= optimization with respect to org-
anisms' abilities to 'move' in 'the' anti-
WDB2T-Direction.

Your fatalism has no proof other than what you see in the present.
You could save some time and work if you cut out chunks of your brain
that keep long-term memory.

A bolt and your handwaving don't explain my list. It is possibil to
do, liv and live better than evolution; the Romans did such with junk-
baby killing. If sticken with evolution, one could choose to hasten
one's own with immersion in filth; babies who were raisede in messy
daycare, for exempl, grow up healthier than those in clean daycare.
Likewise for those who shun antibacterial soap and fear not germs.
Either one or the other must die. Then the learned winnert affords
benun pretty.

| > Throw a "monkey wrench" into the 'works'
| > of =any= system, and the 'result' is a con-
| > sequence of the "monkey wrench" being
| > =in= the system.
|
| Except when the wrench doesn't fit.

Yeah, "except when the 'wrench' doesn't
fit :-]

You didn't shut the quote.

Then the 'wrench' 'just' squashes the system,
like when one steps on an ant.

squashes = is in

Ants 'move' in 'the' anti-WDB2T-Direc-
tion with respect to such by reproducing-
massively, living portions of their Lives
where 'wrenches' can't be 'thrown', etc.

Basicly, species literally grow-into anti-
WDB2T-Direction-"space" that's min-
imally-'occupied' by other species,
which includes, BTW, =all= behavior-
al dynamics.

Shut up.

| > "Faster" nerves would require greater
| > energy-consumption, which'd require
| > the host organism to spend more of
| > its energy just finding-energy, which'd
| > dumb-it-down, overall, and any organ-
| > ism not so-dumbed-down will out-com-
| > pete it with respect to Survival.
|
| So why is there a reflex rather than no
| reaction? Reflexes require
| greatter enerjy consumption.

Not having the 'reflex' would subject
a human to being not able to stand-up
as well as another human who had the
'reflex'. ["Standing-up is a Problem that's
infinitely-large in scope, BTW, be-cause

You can't prove that. Tackel my list or shut up.

of the way that 'gravitational' force varies
with respect to 'movement' on various
terrain, which is compounded, also in-
finitely, by the ability to carry stuff that's
made-Possible by standing-up [on two
feet], and stuff like the fact that projectiles
and predatory attacks can come from
=any= Direction while one is standing-
up, 'moving' in the anti-WDB2T-Direc-
tion, etc.

The better-standing-up organism out-
Survives the less-able-to-stand-up
organism.

Hence the patellar reflex.

Knee-hitting has nothing to do with standing up. Reflexes numb limbs,
like a sneeze dumbs your mind.

| > | It seems pretty likely
| > | that this was an accidental situation that was then
| > | firmed in by later evolutionary selection. In the slang
| > | of computing, a bug that was made a feature.
| > | A situation where signals going to the brain crossed
| > | over to nerves coming from the brain became an
| > | improvement, in some situations, over not having
| > | this cross connection.
| >
| > Nope. You are just unaware of what's
| > in nervous systems and their functioning.
| > [Forgive me, Please, but Computerists
| > [which is one of the 'hats I wear', BTW]
| > =need= to learn-from nervous systems
| > instead of trying to dictate what 'nervous
| > systems must be'.]
|
| You tort, not fiat.

No, I just 'move toward' Truth.

'move' in the anti-WDB2T-Direction because
understanding how and why nervous systems
process information enables one to do so
relatively-efficiently.

The understanding is available to all.

You understand lear than nothing.

| > Truth is, nervous systems are Spectacularly-
| > Well-Optimized to perform as =Generalized=
| > processors.
| >
| > =Nothing= in-them is in-them without it's
| > globally-integrated Purpose.
| its
| There is no propos, only adhocopos.
| They don't foreknow anything.

Well, they =do=.

Nervous systems innately 'Know' the
difference between anti-WDB2T-Dir-
ections and WDB2T-Directions, just
like plants do.

Every life makes as its parent, where it can. They die off when they
find they cannot cope. Thus, they were in the wrong.

Where things get 'Hard' derives in
the 'way' that folks generate virtual
'directednesses' 'within' their routine
interactive dynamics -- because nerv-
ous systems do innately 'Know' the
difference between anti-WDB2T-Dir-
ections and WDB2T-Directions, just
like plants do.

You already said that.

So folks instantiate =local= WDB2T
gradients via glitzy-'advertising, lies,
cheating, etc, in order to coerce the
'directions' in which other folks'll 'move'.

Overall, such doesn't work, however,
be-cause WDB2T happens, overall,
regardless of what folks 'contrive' to
do to 'seek profits' with respect to oth-
er folks' anti-WDB2T-Directednesses.

2T is a violation of itself. Anything goes. Gold is not free yet we
hav im.

| > [There are, "of course", 'flaws' in individual
| > "genomes" that result from unfortunate
| > consequences involving toxic substances,
| > pre- and-postpartum Parental "stress"
| > and/or radiation, but such do not constitute
| > nervous system "kludges".]
|
| English-muttish Latin-slauhtering spelling-
| speakking is one whole big fat kludge.

Nope.

It's 'just' what I wrote in the last stuff I
wrote before the last stuff you wrote,
and, well, in the last stuff you wrote.

Yep.

yester, not before

Peace.

I don't want pax. Pax is for the dead.

-Aut

 

[Benjamin]

| [...]

I stand on what I posted.

k. p. collins

 

[[email protected]]

Hi:

Are the electrical currents generated and used by the nervous system
AC or DC?

Neither, they are TC.

Alternating and Direct currents are generally descriptions of electric
flow in
equilibrium states or slowly changing states, while Transient currents
describe
electric flow in rapidly changing states with non-equilibrium
conditions. So, for
example, when we say AC or DC we typically imply that thermodynamic
laws
are considered to hold, but with TC you can't apply Thermodynamic laws
during
the transient flow, only to the initial and final states when the
system is in
thermodynamic equilibrium. Tesla made a great deal out of this special
third
type of current, and hinted that it contained some special secret that
only he
knew. But, then again, Tesla loved to create mystery around his work.
He was
a bit of a showman. He pointed to the transient current in the
discharge of a
capacitor to ground, and the analysis of this experiment done by
Kelvin, as the
original source of his idea.

The flow of current through non-equilibrium states is not well
understood.


pmj
hypercomplex.com

 

[Benjamin]

| > Hi:
| >
| > Are the electrical currents generated and used by the nervous system
| > AC or DC?
|
| Neither, they are TC.
|
| Alternating and Direct currents are generally descriptions of electric
| flow in
| equilibrium states or slowly changing states, while Transient currents
| describe
| electric flow in rapidly changing states with non-equilibrium
| conditions. So, for
| example, when we say AC or DC we typically imply that thermodynamic
| laws
| are considered to hold, but with TC you can't apply Thermodynamic laws
| during
| the transient flow, only to the initial and final states when the
| system is in
| thermodynamic equilibrium. Tesla made a great deal out of this special
| third
| type of current, and hinted that it contained some special secret that
| only he
| knew. But, then again, Tesla loved to create mystery around his work.
| He was
| a bit of a showman. He pointed to the transient current in the
| discharge of a
| capacitor to ground, and the analysis of this experiment done by
| Kelvin, as the
| original source of his idea.
|
| The flow of current through non-equilibrium states is not well
| understood.
|
|
| pmj
| hypercomplex.com

a "transient current" is just AC that
is locally spatially-'contained', which
is resolvable in 3D, with ["of course"]
interactions among analogous 'trans-
ient currents'.

It's somewhat analogous to the "wind",
which is also comprised of 3D spatial
flows [of 'air' molecules] that're relative-
ly-locally 3D-spatially-'contained'.

When one carries out such an anal-
ysis, one converges upon 'just-energy
and the SSW<->UES harmonics that
I discussed in previous posts.

The net thing at any 'point' in 3D-space
is energy-density.

When energy-density crosses a relative
threshold, energy-flow Directionality
shifts in accord with that threshold.

In other words, the 'transient' is instan-
tiated 'within' the net 3D-Energydynam-
ics [3D-E].

This sort of 3D-E happens ubiquitously
'within' nervous systems -- for instance,
the "passive cable properties" of neur-
onal dendrites are 100% as above. So
is everything else that occurs 'within'
nervous systems, all the way down to
'just'-energy.

Nervous system function cannot be re-
solved in any other way.

k. p. collins

 

[Autymn D. C.]

When energy-density crosses a relative
threshold, energy-flow Directionality
shifts in accord with that threshold.

specific power first; specific enerjy unless supressed quantal
transitions next

 

[Autymn D. C.]

When energy-density crosses a relative
threshold, energy-flow Directionality
shifts in accord with that threshold.

specific power first; specific enerjy unless supressed quantal
transitions next

 

[Autymn D. C.]

When energy-density crosses a relative
threshold, energy-flow Directionality
shifts in accord with that threshold.

specific power first; specific enerjy unless supressed quantal
transitions next