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Anybody recommend a good camera that I can use with Win98?

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  1. Robert Macy

    Robert Macy Guest

    Like the subject, anybody know a good camera that I can use with
    Win98?

    I've been using the Motorola RAZR phone which has terrible images,
    requires WinXP [ptui, ptui, cusre be gone!]

    Is alright to get by, but images are like 60k and more of a thumbnail
    image than a real image.



    I just bought a Vivitar 16MPixel ViviCam S524, which listed the system
    requirements on the back of the envelope. They left out that you MUST
    have internet connection to download a huge bulky bloated program,
    Plus, and this is far more important, model is NOT listed in included
    CD, call to Customer Service informs that software not available yet,
    wait 2 weeks and come back to their website ??!!!

    So, what I need is a camera with decent image capability, that I can
    download images through the USB port, and be done with it. I don't
    want to connect to their websites, I don't want to download a program
    that will take 24 hours to download via dial-up, I just want a [email protected]#$!#
    [email protected]%^^ camera!
     
  2. Robert Macy

    Robert Macy Guest

    Thanks, I didn't think to just 'try' it!

    Damned thing makes NOISE! After fussing several times, took a picture.
    connected via USB cable and saw nothing. Empty file structure. Then
    tried again and this time found a single image, downloaded image and
    it seems small at 156kB, but ok. Camera said memory full insert SD
    card, but have no card. Memory shows up empty, and will not show any
    new picture.

    After that experience, no more pictures and no more images, the files
    are blank on the USB port ?! Don't know what's going on.

    May have to remove batteries and start again. But kind of works, and
    got ONE picture only? But now that picture doesn't even show up.


    Memory said 978KB available, all empty, picture takes 156kB, perhaps
    that's bits and bytes to get one picture in that memory. nothing is
    adding up. Plus, no more pictures.
     
  3. Robert Macy

    Robert Macy Guest

    Got it!

    The protocol was to 'delete' the images and/or folders in the camera
    then one more picture could be taken.

    So, does work - after a fashion. Now need a good SD card to plug in.
     
  4. N_Cook

    N_Cook Guest


    I use a Novatech 4Meg via USB and win98SE using its Windows Explorer , no
    trouble,
    compared with all the impossible proprietary crap that came with the camera
     
  5. Robert Macy

    Robert Macy Guest

    Wish I'd known that cameras work straight through, I would have bought
    that $10 4M Pixel camera when I saw it.

    Oh well, 16.1 MPixels are 'adjustable' in the control settings and
    this only cost $49.95

    I almost expunged Explorer off my system in favor of Opera 9.64; but
    had to keep it for some website(s) that are 'fussy'

    Use Irfanview 4.25 and am EXTREMELY happy with their software.
     
  6. Robert Macy

    Robert Macy Guest

    Thank you for THAT heads up! I have no idea how to make certain the
    two work together, but 'unreliable'? arrrggg! That's the WORST kind of
    failure mode.

    Without the manual, [which is NOT available I guess for two more
    weeks] I have no idea what SD card will work. Perhaps there's a
    section just for Vivitar. I'll make certain they're returnable just in
    case.
     
  7. Robert Macy

    Robert Macy Guest

    True. I'm still kicking myself for passing up the $10 4MPixel camera,
    which would have sufficed for my needs.

    Don't underestimate lensing in 'cheap' systems:
    Years ago, a consultant told Logitec that they needed to redesign the
    lense system for their Scanman Plus [manually operated hendheld
    scanner], because his ray tracing sw showed how bad the cheap lensing
    was, all distortion and blurry, and Logitec must hire him to do the
    redesign. The Project Mgr was technically sharp enough to believe his
    own eyes and to not listen to experts looking for work and hired me to
    evaluate the lensing system as 'proof' to back up his conclusions to
    his bosses. I found that that cheap little handheld scanner was better
    than Ricoh's $5,000 flatbed scanner. Better focus, better flatness of
    illumination across the field of view, less backlash/jitter, etc. Fun
    project, because I got to also test out scan targets I had designed
    [carryover from another camera design project] to automate such tests
    during Production. The specs and resolution on the 8.5 by 11 sheets
    were so severe that the sheets had to be printed in Switzerland by
    people who also make money printers. Cost only $300 a sheet of
    'paper' [paper also special material for stability] at the time I
    could only afford 10 sheets. I had expected the Scanman Plus system to
    be a bit of cheap garbage what with plastic lensing and mouse-like
    optical wheels for position sensors, but learned a lesson there -
    System Blocks only need to MEET spec, not EXCEED spec, for evrything
    to work well. As in, lense focus only needs to get the image onto each
    pixel and not be better than that.Oddly, images were easier to
    postprocess for OCR *IF* the lensing is a bit poor. I have a proof of
    that written up somewhere. NDA, not allowed to present it.
     
  8. Guest

    HA, I have the opposite problem. I've been keeping this old scanner around waiting for either a Win98 machine or drivers to run it on XP. It's a Visioneer 6100B and though it was not expensive, it's one of the best scanners I've seen.

    Might not be so hot on the criteria you used in testing, but it has plenty of depth. What I mean is that something doesn't have to be flat. I've scanned guns, car parts, people's faces etc. There is something about it's lightbeam I think. It must be almost as coherent as a laser for something literally 4" away to still be in focus. This of course comes in handy when you scan a book without cutting out the pages or breaking the binder.

    About the OCR software, can I just use any propgram even though I don't have the hardware it came with ? Reason I ask is I have some already scannned images I would like to convert. They're 800 pixels wide because I wanted them readable in an internet browser (though I am pretty sure I have higher resolution copies around somewhere). I could simply string them together by writing a few simple lines of HTML. Here's an example of one:

    https://dl.dropbox.com/u/29948706/page02.jpg

    Never did write that page..... Anyway, the only OCR software I have right now came with the Visioneer and it requires MAX files. Irfanview IIRC reported that these are TIF files "misnamed". I imagine there is something different about the compression, which makes me wonder if reconverting them will work. I mean convert from JPG to TIF and then rename to MAX.

    That assumes the OCR software will even install in XP.

    As far as your USB situation, I remember my 98SE required software to recognize those thumbdrives. I got it from Lexar's website. This makes me wonderif the machine is reading your device correctly, can you try it in a newerPC just to see if you get the same results ? What's more, I wonder if you can find an SD card reader that is compatible with Win98. It seems they certainly do not want you using 98 anymore. (BTW you do know about olderversion.com right ?)

    Believe me, I was dragged kicking and screaming into XP. Know why I got XP ? I couldn't get 98SE to work with my router. Grrrr.

    J
     
  9. Guest

    "The specs and resolution on the 8.5 by 11 sheets
    were so severe that the sheets had to be printed in Switzerland by
    people who also make money printers. Cost only $300 a sheet of
    'paper' [paper also special material for stability] "

    Sounds like they're doing a pretty good job of printing money.........

    J
     
  10. josephkk

    josephkk Guest

    I have an old slot A machine that i never use any more. I would have to
    fire it up to make sure it still runs, has a 10BaseTX nic.

    ?-)
     
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