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Discussion in 'Electronic Repair' started by Golf, Aug 14, 2007.

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  1. Golf

    Golf Guest

    I am close to closing my door to this group. Why? It seems that in the
    last several months it has been infested with garbage (big tits, nike
    shoes, etc.). Looking at things now, I have to assume there is no hope
    in recovery, or something would have been done by now. Maybe nothing
    can be done. Can't a filter be applied to anyone wanting to post
    something here? A filter that looks for key words in the subject or
    message that can reject non electronic repair stuff? This can't be
    difficult or impossible. Maybe make it more difficult to subscribe -
    24 hour waiting period to confirm user (email address and phone number
    - yes be contacted). I wouldn't mind this if my motive was for the
    right reason. Relpies welcome.
     
  2. Ken G.

    Ken G. Guest

    I dont see that much spam here . There are other reasons you want to
    leave .
     
  3. If it bothers you then why not subscribe to a techs only forum or listserve.
    There are many that are not plagued by the spam, though they are often
    plagued by chatty techs who can't keep focused on fixing things.

    Leonard
     
  4. Arfa Daily

    Arfa Daily Guest

    All the same people are still here, ignoring all the spam, as you should.
    It'll calm down again I expect, like it usually does ...

    Legitimate requests for help are still being answered, as they always have
    been, or are you somehow missing that ? This is not a moderated internet
    forum. It is a Usenet newsgroup. No one has to 'subscribe' to it in that
    way. This is just a word that your newsgroup reader client uses to indicate
    that it is on your 'favorites' list of groups, with a direct shortcut. The
    spam is produced by bots, not people, and there's not a lot that can be done
    to circumvent it really.

    Arfa
     
  5. James Sweet

    James Sweet Guest

    This is the usenet, you have to do the filtering on your end. I agree the
    spam is irritating, but it's pretty easy to identify it at a glance and
    ignore it, or set up a filter in your newsreader. I normally sort by name
    and read the posts by people I recognize first, then scroll through the
    other posts to see if anything catches my eye that I happen to be
    knowledgeable about, the junk just gets ignored.
     
  6. Eeyore

    Eeyore Guest

    No more than any other group. And there's not really that much of it either.

    Graham
     
  7. JeffM

    JeffM Guest

    If you exclude Google, the providers have it under control
    --no different than historic levels.

    OTOH, try this: Send a complaint to [email protected] google.com
    mailto: and read the response.
    Their attitude is **We're studying the problem;
    we don't approach this on an individual-user level**.
    (Read: Our business model is based on filtering data
    --but we won't filter out spammers)
    and it's obvious when you look at the surging tide from Google.
    Disagree strongly. Most of it is humans at keyboards.
    A lot of it is from China, India, Pakistan, and Indonesia.
    If these were sophisticated efforts,
    there would be more cross-posting along with the multi-posting.
    The Marlboro ads are obviously bots, but I can't remember
    an obvious botnet spew for quite a while before that.
    Make reports to the spammers' ISPs.

    Google really should step up--but they won't.
    Maybe if we all keep a thought about
    the vice president in charge of Google Groups having a stroke,
    he will and will get replaced by a guy who is like a pit bull WRT
    spam.
    I'm not holding my breath.
     
  8. Dave

    Dave Guest

    I think you have a fundamental misconception of newsgroups. This is USENET,
    _NOT_ GOOGLE! Google has _NOTHING_ to do with usenet other than to provide
    a vehicle for archival retrieval of previous posts.


    Dave S.
     
  9. Meat Plow

    Meat Plow Guest

    Newsfeed servers do filter with things like Cleanfeed but it doesn't work
    well. You could filter on your end if you would use a real news reader
    instead of google.
     
  10. JeffM

    JeffM Guest

    You obviously have a fundamental misconception of Google Groups.
    Clueless. Since they bought the archive from Deja,
    Google is the big problem with Usenet .
    Yup. Clueless. *Anyone* with a legit email address
    (even a throw-away account) can sign up for a Google account.
    In fact, you can use THAT SAME ADDRESS
    to sign up for A BAZILLION Google accounts.
    Once you have an account, you can ***POST*** to Usenet
    thru their "Google Groups" Web-based Usenet interface (portal).

    As I stated (and you snipped):
    ::If you exclude Google, the providers have [Usenet spam] under
    control
    ::--no different than historic levels.
    ::
    By my count, 98% of the spam is coming from Google Groups.
    Google, when (and IF) they do cancel accounts,
    only cancel a SINGLE account
    --NOT **all** of the acounts made using the same email address.
    It's like pissing in the sea.

    If Google Groups had a pit bull running their anti-spam effort
    --instead of a toothless teacup poodle,
    Usenet spam levels would plummet.

    ....and, as I previously noted,
    Google's business model is based on **classifying data**.
    It's not like they couldn't do the proper filtering
    using RBLs and direct reports
    --but their PROFIT MOTIVE is distorting their ethics.
    That's what happens when you let a whore run the operation.
     
  11. John E.

    John E. Guest

    I am close to closing my door to this group. Why? It seems that in the
    You're posting via Google using a web browser. Get a real news reader program
    and start invoking filters to screen out what you don't want to see.
     

  12. Get a real news server that filters out most of the crap. Google
    groups is crap. What do you expect from a 'free' service'?



    --
    Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
    prove it.
    Member of DAV #85.

    Michael A. Terrell
    Central Florida
     
  13. Golf

    Golf Guest

    I am still getting the electronic related stuff, but only having been
    visiting this site for a year or two, I have never seen this much
    "spam". It's like a flood gate that started leaking and busted wide
    open. I don't respond to the "spam" by the way. Thanks for responding.
     
  14. Golf

    Golf Guest

    I am looking, but I really enjoy the advice, support, and knowledge of
    most of the folks here. Thanks for responding.
     
  15. Golf

    Golf Guest

    I will look into the filtering. If it's that simple I shouldn't have
    any problem and this sounds like a reasonable thing to do. Thanks for
    responding.
     
  16. Golf

    Golf Guest

    I guess it depends on what your comparing it with? Thanks for
    responding.
     
  17. Golf

    Golf Guest

    I'm not familiar with some of the lingo, but I think you feel my pain.
    Thanks for responding.
     
  18. Golf

    Golf Guest

    OK, I'm getting the picture now. I will research "news readers" and
    see what happens. Great if this works. Thanks for the response.
     
  19. Arfa Daily

    Arfa Daily Guest

    Try "X-News". It has good filtering capabilities.

    Arfa
     
  20. JeffM

    JeffM Guest

    Dave Spear, in this thread, was under the assumption
    that I didn't know what Usenet is.
    Here is what we are up against
    with regard to Google Groups and Usenet:
    http://www.google.com/search?q=cach...-*-*-*-*-*+*-*-policed&strip=1#Web_interfaces
    Here's a once-over-lightly.
    http://www.google.com/search?q=cach...er+501+Combination+501+501+501+Cross-platform

    A lot of folks who run Windoze like Forte Agent (payware).
    Gravity (free, open source) also has a lot of fans.

    It appears you are using an older version of Mozilla Suite.
    To get maximum usability out of the suite
    (including the updates WRT reading groups),
    you could upgrade to SeaMonkey and continue using familiar software.
    ..
    ..
    You will also need a provider. Many ISPs' Usenet access sucks.
    Here's a recent thread on some Usenet providers that don't suck:
    http://groups.google.com/group/sci....up-fast+supernews+qq-qq+uu+the.price.is.right
     
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