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  1. Keith

    Keith Guest

    Ok then, I got dibs on the perpetual motion machine powered by the
    antigravity generator. ;-)
     
  2. Deefoo

    Deefoo Guest

    Hammerable screws have been around for many years now and they _are_ very
    useful. This is how you use them: Position the object you want to fix. Drill
    a hole through the object and into the support in one go and ram in a hammer
    screw. Very fast, strong and very usefull for f.i. temporarily fixing
    something as you can easily unscrew it later (if you didn't bend it too much
    when you hammered it in).

    This has probably been patented somewhere somehow, I guess, don't know.

    --DF
     
  3. JeffM

    JeffM Guest

    Ok then, I got dibs on the perpetual motion machine
    When the Patent Office did away with mandated working models in 1880,
    it said there would still be some cases where those would be required;
    the examples typically given were perpetual motion machines
    and heaver-than-air flying machines.

    For that reason, this is an interesting case:
    http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache...*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*+Worsley-Twist-*-*+Mar-24-2005
    http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache...to_requests_mo.html+*-*-*-*-*-*-working-model

    (The story is from March 2005 but it was given new life recently
    when it was posted to Slashdot.)
    USPTO Requests Working Model
    http://www.google.com/search?q=intitle:Patent-Office-demands-working+OR+intitle:PTO-Requests-working
     
  4. Dirk Bruere

    Dirk Bruere Guest

    I know about most of them.
    However, I used it as a general case of something that would have wide
    applicability across industry.

    Dirk
     
  5. Rich Grise

    Rich Grise Guest

    No, that would be a copyright. ;-)

    Cheers!
    Rich
     
  6. http://www.tinaja.com/patnt01.asp


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  7. That's the common "wisdom" in some parts. However it's far from
    the truth. I have an "office action" with all claims denied,
    sitting on my desk. Someone else submitted the basic idea, while
    our lawyers were off playing with themselves. They snoozed, I
    loozed. :-/
     
  8. I have heard enough elsewhere to make me feel confident that you have up
    to 1 year after first sale or public use/demonstration of an invention to
    file a patent application. I don't know if that includes provisional
    applications, though.

    Also, USA has some rule of "first to invent". You can ruin a competing
    patent filed earlier than yours if you can prove that you had the
    invention before the competitor did.

    - Don Klipstein ()
     
  9. If I was to patent a AG drive:

    Case 1 I was writing the patent application, Case 2 I had a patent
    attorney do this.

    Case 1: I know well enough about writing patent applications to
    disclose useful applications and useful "extensions" and variations of the
    invention, so as to either be able to claim or to at least keep a
    competitor from patenting.

    Case 2: If I don't know that well, then I had better have a patent
    attorney do this, and any patent attorney failing to do this I should fire
    for not serving my interests.

    =========================

    Now here is something I have been told:

    Suppose I invent some superior cushion for a bar stool, and I could not
    find much of a market for only cushions but I could find a market for bar
    stools with cushions. But someone else has a current patent for the
    cushioned bar stool (or maybe bar stools in general). What happens?
    I can get a patent for my superior cushion, and even for bar stools with
    this superior cushion. But I can't sell bar stools with this cushion
    without negotiating an agreement with the other inventor that has the bar
    stool patent!

    - Don Klipstein ()
     
  10. Keith

    Keith Guest

    In the US, this is the case. One is barred from pattenting a widget one
    year from disclosure or other "commercial advantage". Commercial
    advantage may be an offer for sale of something using the invention
    (either in the device itself or in the manufacturing process) or
    disclosing the invention to a customer. Europe and Japan have no one year
    period. Once disclosed you're barred from a patent.
    I don't believe this is true anymore, but could be wrong here. It's first
    to file now. If you hold something as a trade secret I believe someone
    else can patent the invention out from under you. IIRC the US changed
    this when they went from a 17 year patent (from date of issue) to 20 years
    (from date of file).
     
  11. Keith

    Keith Guest

    On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 06:25:46 +0000, Don Klipstein wrote:

    This is exactly what happens. As was mentioned previously in this thread,
    a patent is a negative instrument. It gives no right to the holder,
    rather takes a right away to everyone else. The other inventor has taken
    away your right to make bar stools and you've taken his right away to make
    your superior cushion. Maybe the two of you can swap licenses for bar
    stools and cushions and both can make money excluding everyone else
    from making such a superior product?! This is exactly how industry
    works; The lawyers sit around the poker table and trade stacks of patents
    (sometimes along with cash).
     
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