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Discussion in 'Electronic Design' started by Winfield Hill, Dec 19, 2005.

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  1. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    Oh, wonderful. Congressmen Jeff Flake and Trent Franks are two of the
    most ignorant individuals ever elected to the House :-(

    Neither is my Congressman, so the few times I've wrote them they don't
    even answer; but I'll have my daughter (the Republican Party
    Chairperson) tweak them a bit.

    ...Jim Thompson
     
  2. Ian Bell

    Ian Bell Guest

  3. cbm5

    cbm5 Guest


    It's easy enough to build A/D converters of our own; what I'm concerned
    about is playback. That's where they can really get us. If every
    computer monitor and TV and playback software requires a specially
    encoded stream, the analog hole really has been effectively closed for
    most people. Oh, it's not going to happen for a few decades, there will
    be too much need for back-compatibility. But hang on to your old Athlon
    and Pentium boxes, LCD monitors, and Linux CDs. Until such things become
    contraband.
     
  4. This is not much more immoral than other forms of copyright
    protection. All those moralizers who whine about how giving copies of
    stuff to friends is "stealing", are on about same footing.

    All software that I use is free.

    **** copyright.

    i


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  5. Last week I was playing with Google Earth. If you position the earth
    so that the equator is horizontal and in the middle, and turn it to
    Africa, you'll notice how amazingly big Africa is. It astonishes me
    everytime. Okay, in that view Europe looks smaller than it actually is,
    but it is still very impressive.

    The U.S.A. is indeed a very very small piece of the earth.
     
  6. John  Larkin

    John Larkin Guest


    Except that there's pretty much nothing on TV worth recording. And if
    you like music, why not just pay for it?

    Sign up for Netflix. These guys are geniuses: they figured out all the
    things people hate about renting videos, and got rid of them all. If
    you like a movie so much that you want to see it many times, but
    you're too cheap to buy it, Netflix takes care of you.

    Hey Win, is it okay with you if everybody pirates AoE? Maybe I should
    just have a minion scan it, and then I can give each of my interns a
    PDF on a 50-cent CD, instead of buying each of them a hardcopy. Does
    that sound like "fair use" to you?.

    John
     
  7. John Larkin wrote...
    There are already at least two full AoE scans floating around
    on the net. CUG is considering competing with these with our
    own free higher-quality searchable electronic copy for the 3rd
    edition. They already have several of their printed books also
    freely available online, and these have enjoyed better hardcopy
    sales than expected, which may (or may not) be due to the free
    online version.

    Anyway, stop changing the subject: Fair use is being able to
    record a TV show and watch it the next day. That's the long-
    established "SONY principle." I have a very busy schedule,
    and usually can't watch a program when its broadcast.

    They fought the VCR then and lost, now they may not lose.

    "Section 201 (b) (1) of the DTCSA gives you only 90 minutes
    from the initial reception of a "unit of content" to watch
    your recordings."

    Wake up, John. I recommend you avoid a blanket acceptance of
    everything your fine Republican government is up to these days.
    California has six Judiciary Committee members, I suggest you
    write each one a quick note. You can use cut and paste.
    http://judiciary.house.gov/CommitteeMembership.aspx
     
  8. Just a little hint, the value of AoE on a CD or printed out on a
    printer is relatively low. Hard to read and keep on a bench for quick
    reference.

    Hence, if the people who are too cheap to buy a book anyway could get
    it on a CD, they would make such a book much more popular.

    i
     
  9. Yup. ebook is to book as freeze-dried camping food is to gourmet
    cooking. At least for a few (probably 10+) more years until displays
    get better.


    Best regards,
    Spehro Pefhany
     
  10. Spehro Pefhany wrote...
    I agree. Someone who's willing to struggle for years reading off
    his computer screen probably isn't a lost sale, because he never
    would have bought the book anyway. Alternately, someone who gets
    an electronic copy and finds it useful might purchase a bound copy
    some time later he'd not have otherwise made. Someday, when we get
    the direct computer-brain connection, this may no longer be true.
     
  11. John Larkin

    John Larkin Guest

    So hang onto your VCR.

    I count 5 Democrats and three Repubs on that committee from
    California. And it's Democrats that are mostly in the pockets and pay
    of Hollywood. So why blame "your fine Republican government" here?

    Ultimately it will be up to the courts to re-interpret fair use.

    Personally, if someone creates IP, I figure they should protect it any
    way they choose. If you want to slice out the commercials that fund
    the broadcasts, and they want to try to stop you, I can't see that
    they are wrong. If they make watching their crap too much trouble,
    I'll not watch it... I hardly do anyway. That's the way markets
    work... if you don't like the product, buy something else.

    John
     
  12. Rich Grise

    Rich Grise Guest

    Probably - it's a lot more comfortable to take a paper book to
    bed than a computer. ;-)

    And paging through a pdf can be a PITA, when with paper, you can
    just flip to the page in question.

    I'm not much one to talk, though: I borrowed a copy from the public
    library, read it, loved it, and now know where to go look if I
    need to use it for a reference. :)

    Thanks!
    Rich
     
  13. John  Larkin

    John Larkin Guest

    So you oppose copyrights in general? That's not a bad idea; we could
    get rid of patents, too, and things would be different but not
    necessarily worse.

    But you seem to argue from a practical perspective, that copying AoE
    may actually make you money, so you don't mind.

    John
     
  14. I am prepared to wait for even longer than 10 years.

    i
     
  15. Chris Jones

    Chris Jones Guest

    http://levine.sscnet.ucla.edu/general/intellectual/against.htm

    I've posted this link before but I think it's interesting so I'll post it
    again. I think they basically agree with you Ig, but they are not able to
    express themselves as freely and eloquently as you.

    It a good thing that plenty of us know how to make ADCs, though they would
    be a bit clunky if they had to be made discretely. I think there are
    enough ADCs already in the world that it will never be worthwhile for
    organised criminals to have to make their own. Pity, it might increase our
    pay ;-)

    Chris
     

  16. I think that it would not be an unreasonable world where the author
    gets a copyright on professional printing (like they had 100 years
    ago), but not on electronic copying of any sort.

    If some people make less profit this way, I am not going to shed tears
    or whine about "demise of capitalism". Capitalists will just go on amd
    make money elsewhere. I do not think that there is going to be less
    useful content than we see now, if such a hypothetical change took
    place. Probably less commercial heavily promoted crap, but I do not
    care for it.

    i
     
  17. Thanks for posting this great link, I will read that stuff for a
    while.

    i
     
  18. What's the best portable PDF reader we can buy *right now* for say
    1-2K US roughly?

    I'm thinking of a screen that can be used in the portrait format, and
    has a minimum of 1200 pixels (preferably a lot more) in the vertical
    direction and is as small and light as practical. Should also be a
    fairly kick-ass computer (1-2GHz with 100Gb absolute minimum HDD).

    Are there some 'tablet' computers that come close to the above
    requirements?


    Best regards,
    Spehro Pefhany
     
  19. Mac

    Mac Guest

    Yeah. I like Netflix.

    [snip]
    This isn't just about TV. The big media companies want total control over
    how and when we use content, and they don't care about collateral damage.
    That is what makes them dangerous.

    I want my PC to process whatever bits I tell it to when I tell it to. But
    where this is all going is taking sufficient control over PC's and other
    devices capable of playing media and making them subservient to the
    media giants. In addition to putting a stranglehold on the distribution of
    content, they will probably also try to poison the ability of independent
    artists to release their content.

    After all, their first thought was to enact legislation which would
    require ADC's, to somehow recognize copyrighted media! These people do NOT
    understand all the implications of what they are doing. I will take a look
    at this bill, and if it is as bad as I suspect it is, I will write a few
    letters.

    --Mac
     
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